Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1900 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:11 am

In post 1726, James Brafin wrote:Tracker is impossible to prove without a flip and really doesn’t tell us anything. I’m going to act like nothing’s there.

Does this come from someone that is a cop?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1901 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:12 am

In post 1406, James Brafin wrote:Pers I’ve been kinda ignoring. He strikes me as the kind of guy who just screws around as either alignment. I need to ISO him though.

Does a cop talk like this about their green check?

James Brafin · Post Post #1902 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:15 am

Yes it does. I buy the tracker claim because IM THE FREAKING COP. Once the setup revealed itself I figured we would know if he was telling the truth or not. As it was, it was a claim that provided absolutely no information to town and just vanished, so I assumed it was a gambit. I almost checked him n2 but I felt Rick was a more pressing matter, esp. since we had setup-solved for the most part and the chances of his claim being false were low.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1903 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:17 am

And so you as a cop ignored this?

In post 992, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 989, Formerfish wrote:
In post 981, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 977, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 976, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 971, Sakura Hana wrote:VOTE: Fish
Why
Secret reasons maybe?
Okay
VOTE: Fish
Thats a pretty quick turn on a top town read for you being called to the carpet on "secret reasons"

Thats strong stuff. Does it beat super secret reasons for me being town?
I have super secret reasons to trust Sakura

James Brafin · Post Post #1904 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:18 am

In post 1901, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1406, James Brafin wrote:Pers I’ve been kinda ignoring. He strikes me as the kind of guy who just screws around as either alignment. I need to ISO him though.
Does a cop talk like this about their green check?

Again, trying to not draw attention to myself, while also trying to communicate that he was town. :p I did a pretty shitty job.
Out of curiosity, why are YOU defending Gamma? Are you going to let the man speak for himself?

James Brafin · Post Post #1905 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:18 am

Two words: Scum team.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1906 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:19 am

In post 1904, James Brafin wrote:Out of curiosity, why are YOU defending Gamma?

Because I belive him more than you.

James Brafin · Post Post #1907 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:20 am

Awfully convenient he checked you night one, isn’t it?
You’re trying awfully hard to defend a counter-claimed cop, aren’t you?
That doesn’t seem like town behavior to me.

Chemist1422 · Post Post #1908 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:22 am

In post 1905, James Brafin wrote:Two words: Scum team.

I tracked Sakura nowhere N1

So

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1909 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:24 am

In post 1774, gobbledygook wrote:Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

In post 1822, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

James Brafin · Post Post #1910 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:24 am

In post 1906, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1904, James Brafin wrote:Out of curiosity, why are YOU defending Gamma?
Because I belive him more than you.

Why? What reasons other than townreading you do you actually have for townreading him? Scum knows who town is, that “super secret reason” can be scum using a gambit as an opportunity to plant a fake crumb.
Of course, now I’m starting to see a world where you and Gamma are scum together, because if this isn’t a chainsaw/strawman I will legit be shocked.

James Brafin · Post Post #1911 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:25 am

In post 1909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1774, gobbledygook wrote:Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

In post 1822, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.
Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

James Brafin · Post Post #1912 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:25 am

In post 1908, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1905, James Brafin wrote:Two words: Scum team.
I tracked Sakura nowhere N1

So

That is not a clear. Just because Sakura didn’t move N1 doesn’t make her not scum.

Chemist1422 · Post Post #1913 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:26 am

In post 1911, James Brafin wrote:
In post 1909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1774, gobbledygook wrote:Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

In post 1822, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.
Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.
Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

>doctor died

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1914 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:26 am

Well doesnt matter what James screams or doesnt scream, we'll have a confirmed scum today or tomorrow, it's not LyLo after all.
If James is town, then i may be wrong on FF since that clears 2 slots on the PoE i had, if James is scum, it's safe to ignore anything he's said today including any "clears" as that's all WIFOM.
P-Edit: yeah what chemist said.

James Brafin · Post Post #1915 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:27 am

Bleh can’t language. But my point being, tracker is a soft clear at best, and in a 3-scum game means almost nothing. Honestly you wasted your shot.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1916 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:29 am

In post 1911, James Brafin wrote:
In post 1909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1774, gobbledygook wrote:Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

In post 1822, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.
Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.
Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

I love how your counter here isnt trying to debunk that it wasnt fake, nor that he's a cop, but trying to say scum didnt notice it.

Chemist1422 · Post Post #1917 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:29 am

If James is scum his clears probably include the Godfather/tailored mafia

So he can clear a buddy without being outed by their flip

Just thoughts

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1918 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:32 am

In post 1917, Chemist1422 wrote:If James is scum his clears probably include the Godfather/tailored mafia

So he can clear a buddy without being outed by their flip

Just thoughts

I think it's just pure WIFOM and ill continue working my PoE if that's the case.
He can't escape as scum because even if we lynch Gamma and Gamma flips town, he's conf scum next day so it's all WIFOM coming out of his mouth.
If we lynch him and he flips town cop then his clears are more clear, if that's even... a word.

IMO Scum's just pulling a hail mary here to try to get 1 of the ppl in the townbloc lynched, regardless optimal solution here is to lynch James first, here's why:
If James is scum, he's trying to take down the cop with him in a lynch, and so we need to avoid that at all costs.
If James is town, that's a lot of info we get from him, and even if we lynched Gamma first is more likely scum just RB or kill him tonight.

James Brafin · Post Post #1919 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:33 am

In post 1913, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1911, James Brafin wrote:
In post 1909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1774, gobbledygook wrote:Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

In post 1822, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.
Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.
Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.
>doctor died

The outed doctor? Wow, shocker that scum killed the outed PR instead of the “cop.” You ALWAYS kill informed town first. Gamma says that he got roleblocked and scum killed doctor. But that’s idiotic on scum’s part. Why would they not roleblock the doctor and kill a cop if they thought they knew where it was?

James Brafin · Post Post #1920 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:34 am

In post 1916, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1911, James Brafin wrote:
In post 1909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1774, gobbledygook wrote:Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

In post 1822, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.
Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.
Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.
I love how your counter here isnt trying to debunk that it wasnt fake, nor that he's a cop, but trying to say scum didnt notice it.

I love how your counter here is that Gamma’s claim was so obvious that everyone noticed it, when mechanically speaking that’s absurd.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1921 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:36 am

In post 1920, James Brafin wrote:
In post 1916, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1911, James Brafin wrote:
In post 1909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1774, gobbledygook wrote:Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

In post 1822, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.
Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.
Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.
I love how your counter here isnt trying to debunk that it wasnt fake, nor that he's a cop, but trying to say scum didnt notice it.
I love how your counter here is that Gamma’s claim was so obvious that everyone noticed it, when mechanically speaking that’s absurd.

Well i did notice it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1922 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:38 am

I do agree with you on something tho, Gamma must be defending himself here, not me doing the defending.

James Brafin · Post Post #1923 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:56 am

In post 1921, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1920, James Brafin wrote:
In post 1916, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1911, James Brafin wrote:
In post 1909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1774, gobbledygook wrote:Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

In post 1822, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.
Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.
Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.
I love how your counter here isnt trying to debunk that it wasnt fake, nor that he's a cop, but trying to say scum didnt notice it.
I love how your counter here is that Gamma’s claim was so obvious that everyone noticed it, when mechanically speaking that’s absurd.
Well i did notice it.

That’s super convenient.
It’s not even a crumb! It can just as easily be scum taking advantage of a gambit. Which, considering my role PM, is EXACTLY what it was.
Let make it very clear to you: If everything Gamma is saying is true, he should not be alive. Drew should be. So there’s no way what Gamma’s saying can be true. And I think YOU know it!

James Brafin · Post Post #1924 (ISO) » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:02 am

And your argument that this is scum pulling a Hail Mary is just as absurd. If we assume that all of this stuff Gamma is saying is true, there’s only three confirmed town: You, Skellen, Gamma. That’s it. There are six other people that could or could not be scum, and they only need two of them lynched... There’s no need for scum!me to pull a HM to get us out of anything.