Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Sakura Hana]

Let make it very clear to you: If everything Gamma is saying is true, he should not be alive. Drew should be. So there’s no way what Gamma’s saying can be true. And I think YOU know it!

There's no absolutes.

[Sakura Hana]

And you trying to pass it off as Gamma being alive being proof that Gamma is scum just goes to show your scum plan like an open book.
And it also shows that you got no actual reasoning to back up you being a cop over Gamma.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what the initial big claim post I think makes it more likely Gobb is SK over scum
VOTE: SkyG
I guess go on with this one? Also wdym lying about "one of the three"?

Out of idle curiosity, how does THIS come from cop?

What makes it NOT come from a cop? Your post was kinda laying down and dying. Not expected out of really any PR. My post, however, has no such red flag and honestly seem to be saying "no u" in response to my comment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Awfully convenient he checked you night one, isn’t it?
You’re trying awfully hard to defend a counter-claimed cop, aren’t you?
That doesn’t seem like town behavior to me.

So whoever defends you is scum with you?

[Sakura Hana]

So here's why I believe Gamma over James:

• James has no crumbs of his inno anywhere in his ISO, Gamma does.
  
• James tries to pass off him not treating his inno like an inno as him "hiding his role".
  
• James not having anything that proves he was getting results and acting like an actual cop because he was "flying under the radar"
  
• James CC coming coincidentially when he was getting PoE'd out, similarly completely ignoring Gamma's crumb (If he was a real cop he'd have seen it sooner than anyone), he only focused on my gambit
  which had the same crumb btw.
  
  
• His overall play being scummier than Gamma's.

With this im done talking with James, i believe he's just scum at this point and it's pointless to try to convince scum that they are scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh and using NKA as an Absolute.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

OH REALLY. Maybe it's because they killed the doctor and roleblocked me?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh and using NKA as an Absolute.

Oh and if he was a real cop he wouldnt forget about the 1S tracker.

[James Brafin]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

>doctor died

The outed doctor? Wow, shocker that scum killed the outed PR instead of the “cop.” You ALWAYS kill informed town first. Gamma says that he got roleblocked and scum killed doctor. But that’s idiotic on scum’s part. Why would they not roleblock the doctor and kill a cop if they thought they knew where it was?

Please read the thread, scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I haven't done actual casing in forever, hope that's understandable enough.
AMA.

[James Brafin]

So here's why I believe Gamma over James:

• James has no crumbs of his inno anywhere in his ISO, Gamma does.
  
• James tries to pass off him not treating his inno like an inno as him "hiding his role".
  
• James not having anything that proves he was getting results and acting like an actual cop because he was "flying under the radar"
  
• James CC coming coincidentially when he was getting PoE'd out, similarly completely ignoring Gamma's crumb (If he was a real cop he'd have seen it sooner than anyone), he only focused on my gambit
  which had the same crumb btw.
  
  
• His overall play being scummier than Gamma's.

With this im done talking with James, i believe he's just scum at this point and it's pointless to try to convince scum that they are scum.

Are you reading my posts or just skimming them? I’ve explained your first “point” pretty well.
You’re argument is not “why is Gamma more likely cop,” it’s “why is James more likely scum.” Literally your ONLY reason for Gamma to be cop so far is that he’s townreading you. I’ll go over Why this is all bull once I can get o a computer and don’t have to phone post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.
Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

>doctor died

The outed doctor? Wow, shocker that scum killed the outed PR instead of the “cop.” You ALWAYS kill informed town first. Gamma says that he got roleblocked and scum killed doctor. But that’s idiotic on scum’s part. Why would they not roleblock the doctor and kill a cop if they thought they knew where it was?

How is doctor more confirmable than cop?
Also I freaking breadsliced d2 with my "secret reasons to trust Sakura". Following Gob's derp how does that slip by?

[Formerfish]

I'm pretty mush single handedly putting together my kids birthday party. I am going to need to be

lva until the 15th.

Don't know what lva is, but your vla is noted.
-Kor

[James Brafin]

So here's why I believe Gamma over James:

• James has no crumbs of his inno anywhere in his ISO, Gamma does.
  
• James tries to pass off him not treating his inno like an inno as him "hiding his role".
  
• James not having anything that proves he was getting results and acting like an actual cop because he was "flying under the radar"
  
• James CC coming coincidentially when he was getting PoE'd out, similarly completely ignoring Gamma's crumb (If he was a real cop he'd have seen it sooner than anyone), he only focused on my gambit
  which had the same crumb btw.
  
  
• His overall play being scummier than Gamma's.

With this im done talking with James, i believe he's just scum at this point and it's pointless to try to convince scum that they are scum.

1) See post #1895, which I'm pretty sure you just ignored.
2&3) I'm not good at crumbing. At all. And I'm trying my best to not make my role obvious and at the same time move my reads. This is my second game as a PR.
4) Two people is not a wagon nor a PoE. Nice try though.
5) OH MY GOSH ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME. I did not think that was a "crumb." I assumed that it was Gamma doing a gambit or similar. In fact, did you see THIS:

Nope he’s not.
He’s describing the fact that Sakura is full of crap because she did it actually go anywhere last night.
I thought I was townreading Sakura. I now have no trust in her at all. I’m going to go back and glance over her ISO to make sure, but something’s telling me we have caught scum.

I was thinking the scumteam was you/gamma, but when you claimed it was a gambit, I backed off. Now I'm thinking it actually WAS scum trying to push a mislynch. SO, there's that.

Oh and using NKA as an Absolute.

Occam's Razor. The world you are suggestion makes absolutely no mechanical, logical, or behavioral sense whatsoever.

Oh and using NKA as an Absolute.

Oh and if he was a real cop he wouldnt forget about the 1S tracker.

I didn't FORGET about him. That was a turn of phrase. I figured as we figured out the rest of the setup he would sort himself. After all, if I har really forgot about him, I wouldn't have mentioned him, would I have?

Your "views" have no basis whatsoever. Ladies and gents, I present desperate scum.

[Persivul]

Btw there's no way both our claims are real

Actually there is - if chem's claim is false. I don't think that's the case, but it should be put out there.

[Persivul]

VOTE: james

can we do this

Sure, if you can provide a better reason than inactivity.

Does this come from a cop?

I'm missing the connection. Can you explain?

[Persivul]

You know what the initial big claim post I think makes it more likely Gobb is SK over scum
VOTE: SkyG
I guess go on with this one? Also wdym lying about "one of the three"?

Out of idle curiosity, how does THIS come from cop?

Why wouldn't it? Cops play the day game too.

But as already asked I would like Gamma to explain this, and why he didn't pick up with it at the beginning of today.

[Persivul]

Meanwhile James' claim comes at a time when he and 2 others have been PoE'd out so it could be a hail mary kind of claim, I'll need to look at ISOs more.

Scum are all alive and being in a PoE pool isn't high pressure. Why would he use a hail mary? Also why don't you note that his claim came shortly after Gamma claimed? That's the typical time for a CC.

I get that gamma crumbed an inno beginning of D2 and that's strong in his favor, but this needs to be considered more carefully.

[Persivul]

And where is your crumb, because I can’t see it. All I see is you trolling.

Once gob called him out I looked for a crumb, and it's plain as day. Like REALLY obvious.

[Persivul]

Pers I’ve been kinda ignoring. He strikes me as the kind of guy who just screws around as either alignment. I need to ISO him though.

Does a cop talk like this about their green check?

Yeah, that seems pretty unlikely.

[James Brafin]

And where is your crumb, because I can’t see it. All I see is you trolling.

Once gob called him out I looked for a crumb, and it's plain as day. Like REALLY obvious.

I was looking at d1, not d2. :p I see it now, but my point stands.

[Persivul]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way

Also since Gob is a FUCKING MORON I might as well claim. Yes I am cop and I got Sakura town n1. Got no result last night on Persivul which is why I'm so pissed at Gob.

Also this doesnt look like a fake reaction.

That wasn't his initial reaction. He initially said he'd neither confirm nor deny it. This came after he had a night phase to consider it.

Even gob noticed Gamma was an investigative of some sort.

What do you mean by "even gob"? No one has more incentive to PR hunt than an SK.

[James Brafin]

Pers I’ve been kinda ignoring. He strikes me as the kind of guy who just screws around as either alignment. I need to ISO him though.

Does a cop talk like this about their green check?

Yeah, that seems pretty unlikely.

I honestly don’t know what to tell you. That was me trying to crumb that Pers was town subtly. I suck at crumbing. The idea was if I’m ignoring you after your behavior D1, I had reason to believe you weren’t scum. I was trying to not get myself NK’ed on what I deemed to be information that was of minor aid to town at that time.

[Persivul]

Scum obviously didn’t, since he’s not DEAD.

No, if scum have an RB they could just block there and kill elsewhere. The NK proves nothing.

[Persivul]

Well doesnt matter what James screams or doesnt scream,

Where is he screaming?