BTE: Boon Wars - Revenge of the Jingle

[Arist2D2]

I'm fairly bad at reading negative emotions but my kneejerk reaction here is to call shiro's posting just town.

[Ki Adi Joandi]

I don't get why Deb is still town to you after you were wrong about who was posting?

I am reconsidering that read as we speak. I said I will do a reread, didn't I?

[Ki Adi Joandi]

Who was it that suggested scum can only kill whom they can guess correctly? I could wait to get to that post (it was on D3, I think) but it could speed up my reread if someone could kindly remind me

[Arist2D2]

that was me!

[Ki Adi Joandi]

Oh, Ok.

So, rereading page one I feel utterly stupid! Firebringer and Dr Easy Baker were the only two to post just before the game officially started. Soon after all of Baezda, DEB & Mace posted, so it was obvious FB & Dr Baker were two of them. The third is DEB.

Tinfoil: IF IT'S TRUE that scum can kill whomever they can guess correct, then DEB being scum explains why they were able to "guess" Mace was FB.

This is

not yet

a fully developed FoS/push. I need to read more

[Ki Adi Joandi]

And I feel stupid because all my alot-guesses were based on recent posts and using the already flipped slots knowledge. It never occurred to me to go all the way back to the start of the game and alt-hunt from the word go!

[Ki Adi Joandi]

Yeah, Shiro gets a slight TR just from seconding DEB's RVS vore on Palpatine.

[Ki Adi Joandi]

@Arist: I am still undecided on 51 btw. The fact that you

also

were the one to suggest they can kill using the guesses could be seen as TMI if I wanted to conf!bias your slot.

[Arist2D2]

@Arist: I am still undecided on 51 btw. The fact that you

also

were the one to suggest they can kill using the guesses could be seen as TMI if I wanted to conf!bias your slot.

I mean I think that's NAI? my partner just didn't read the rules.

Is the suggestion here that we're scum for coming up with the theory and that's TMI or because one of us made a mistake at the start meaning we shouldn't be able to speculate on mechanics so it's TMI?

[Arist2D2]

Oh ki adi are you still here? I have a question but I'd like you to answer it in real time.

[Ki Adi Joandi]

It's probably not scum faking a townslip. But it could be scum actually not knowing the mechanics.

It very much depends on who posted that, but it's likely to be someone who's setup clueless as either alignment, and so it probably doesn't mean anything.

At first this looked like -maybe- scum soft defending a partner. That would be supported by the fact DEB never actually voted Arist despite them having kept a FoS pointed at them all game long. (and even "taking Padme's word for their townie-ness).

[Ki Adi Joandi]

I'm here.. was ISOing DEB though

[Arist2D2]

Why did you enable the option that hides when you're online?

[Ki Adi Joandi]

I wasn't aware it is enabled. Chara must've done that, maybe. I always read using my main anyway

[Nute Krazy]

Tinfoil: IF IT'S TRUE that scum can kill whomever they can guess correct, then DEB being scum explains why they were able to "guess" Mace was FB.

I had a big post written to poke holes in this but maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say.

Are you trying to say that knowing who was online and posting at the start of the game could have given an advantage at being able to identify the teams here?

Forcing scum to call their shot in order to be able to kill seems pretty limiting. Even borderline unwinnable with a really bad draw.

[Ki Adi Joandi]

Yes. I am considering Arist's suggested mechanic to be true and building on it until I find it more unlikely to be the case

[Ki Adi Joandi]

And the catch up is interrupted by "Pitch perfect 2" (and more precisely the private competition scene)

[Arist2D2]

Why did you enable the option that hides when you're online?

I'd like Chara and Obi and Shiro to answer this when they get online, please.

[Obi Someth Kenobi]

Why did you enable the option that hides when you're online?

I'd like Chara and Obi and Shiro to answer this when they get online, please.

First thing I do on any new alt, so that people can't track me, or call me out for visiting and not having posted.

[Ki Adi Joandi]

Let me honest. Other than the above I still have the general feeling that most of DEB's engagement and responses more likely come from a town mindset. Can someone please ISO them and find something that looks manipulative?

P-edit: I am not sure Chara can help. The last post in our hydra by them is dated 22-Jul

[Ki Adi Joandi]

Would rather not sign off on posts. Scum figuring out identities may not be game breaking but any advantage we can keep away from the scumteam is better for town. Ambiguous is fine.

And this doesn't sound like something that comes naturally to a scum's mind. It's more likely to come from a town mindset.

[Ki Adi Joandi]

Chancellor Palpatine's ISO is bad! No attempt to post content or anything, just dodging the game! I would vote here!

Also the early FoS on scum is town indicative

[Ki Adi Joandi]

How Palpatine's wagon went:

DEB, Shiro, Ki Adi,

At this point Baezda, Arist & FG started a CC on TyTitus.

Then Shiro left the Palpatine wagon to join Padme on DEB and were soon after joined by RCEPO.

OK, I think I'm biting more than I can chew. I wish Titus was here to do some VCA for us all.

Let me just focus on the Palpatine wagon them.

DEB, Shiro, Ki Adi, (3)

DEB, Ki Adi, Arist, (3)

Ki Adi, Arist, Nute, (3)

Ki Adi, Arist, Nute, TyTitus, (4)

Ki Adi, Arist, TyTitus, (3)

Arist, TyTitus, (2)

Arist, (1)

Arist, Ki Adi, Nute, Mace, TyTitus, Irrelph, FG, Shiro, (8)

OK.. I don't want to lynch Arist, Nute, Titus or Shiro. I do realize there's a chance of a bussing partner in there (not 100%) but probably just one (and it most definitely isn't Shiro given the timing of their hammer)

So no matter how I try U keep coming back to Obi must be scum here. I know it's not exactly how Xtoxm plays scum, but I have no idea how Dr Worm plays when he decides to not troll.

[Ki Adi Joandi]

FTR, I have changed the settings now and my online status should appear to you when I next login. I'll even do you one better and logout then login again ton activate, although that shouldn't make a big difference since I use A50 to read all my games under all alts and hydras (thus the enormous amount of alt slips)

[Obi Someth Kenobi]

ok a50, lets drop pretenses. im xtox. worm isnt playing.
you know that you are high priority night kill so you should have at least a weak reason to believe im town.
getting townread by wagon positioning is also one of my strengths as scum. me having scummy looking vote record is what shows im town, tbh. im sure scum-me could have easily let EP0 die without getting in on it.
scum bussed on d1 here. this is why there are still 5 wagon members alive, and its why DEB is town. i feel good about this gamestate read. if you assume scum are on the wagon, then who do you suspect?