Mini 2096: I Don't Remember the Name of This Game

[mastina]

Third party gambit would be dumb if she's out and out scum and I don't see the point wasting discussion on this.

Why? Esp considering mastina?

Especially considering that I have a proven track record of not lying as nontown?

You're answering your own question, mate.

[mastina]

And of the mislynch bait, I townread Baezu in spite of the scummy content. I scumread Menalque, you, and Karnage and have a backup scumread in the form of cyrus.
Thus my readslist.

The difference between you and I is that there is at least

a chance

that I'm town despite your scum read on me while you are 100% not town.

Third party gambit would be dumb if she's out and out scum and I don't see the point wasting discussion on this.

easy peasy day 2 policy lynch

You know.
I find it no coincidence that two players who previously didn't bat an eye at me. AFTER I expressed a scumread on them. Suddenly are advocating that I should be lynched and my reads ignored. In fact, I am pretty sure that there's even a scumtell named for this tendency. What could it POSSIBLY be?

[Menalque]

They involve a lot of fuckery.

Incidentally Mastina hasn't sworn yet IIRC. I think swearing is one of her town tells.

But she's claimed 3P so...

Precisely.
As third parties, I'm never quite in my town meta in spite of explicitly always aiming to townside. I try, but because I am not actually town in spite of legitimate trying to help the town, it shows.

Mind you, I never am in my scum meta as a third party, either, tho people misidentifying my 3p play as my scumplay is quite common.

I’m coming from this point of view.

What do you think about the whole Drew/Cyrus thing?

honestly haven't been paying a lot of attention to it due to busy

it's on my list of things to go back and look at

I think Cyrus is potentially town tho, bc he doesn't seem like he's super obv scum?

[Menalque]

wanna clarify for me why omgus is a scumtell, mastina?

[Menalque]

Third party gambit would be dumb if she's out and out scum and I don't see the point wasting discussion on this.

Why? Esp considering mastina?

Especially considering that I have a proven track record of not lying as nontown?

You're answering your own question, mate.

idk if I'm being slow but I don't understand

[rosterfoster]

Mastina has this thing where she just randomly trueclaims as 3P.

I have no idea why.

I always thought Cyrus’ tone makes people think he’s scummy, so I was expecting scum! you to place him in your lunch worthy pile.

[Menalque]

Mastina has this thing where she just randomly trueclaims as 3P.

I have no idea why.

I always thought Cyrus’ tone makes people think he’s scummy, so I was expecting scum! you to place him in your lunch worthy pile.

guess I didn't do that bc I'm not scum

[mastina]

There are three players who are, regardless of their alignment, always going to be town

Why would town!you ever sort three players into always town this early on D1?

Apparently you need a lesson in reading comprehension if you think that that's what I said.

It's really not that hard to grasp. There are three players who, regardless of their alignment, are going to look like town. They will be logical. They will be reasonable. What they say will make sense. Regardless of their alignment they will find and identify some town and often at least one scum. They will always post things which looks like it comes from a town player.

Yet none of these things are going to ACTUALLY in of themselves tell you that the players are town. It makes you WANT to townread them; it is easy to default to townreading them. But those default townreads are basically relying on random chance of players having a 70% chance of being town. They are not any more accurate than random chance.

In other words: while I default to HOPING that they are town, I know that their scumranges are such that their content isn't beyond their capacities as scum.

In spite of this assessment, I still have a legitimate townread on TheFonz, whereas I have no read one way or another on either GreyIce or roster in spite of me townreading their individual posting.

[rosterfoster]

Regardless of their alignment they will find and identify some town and often at least one scum

If only that was true

[mastina]

wanna clarify for me why omgus is a scumtell, mastina?

It's not always a scumtell. There are situations where town can, via burden of proficiency, identify scum that are voting them, knowing that the player voting them SHOULD be town.

Most situations are where the player thinks it should be the above, but are just mistaken, overestimating their townness and/or the competency of the player that they are omgusing.

However. There are cases where OMGUS, instead of coming from town, comes from scum. And these are the cases where a player shows no scumread of a player, or if anything show signs of defending that player, but when that player scumreads them and presents decent reasoning, the scum player realizes that they need to fight back. Arguing that they are town is usually not a good option, so instead, their stance shifts into scumreading the player that they previously were not.

These are cases where the aim of the scum player is not to lynch the player in question, but rather discredit them. Failing that, to convince players that the fight is TvT (well, close enough in this case).

That is the basic difference between town omgus and scum omgus. The aim of town omgus is to lynch the player that they are omgusing on the basis of believing (quite often mistakenly) that the push on them came from scum.

The aim of scum omgus is to save the life of the scum player.

[Gamma Emerald]

There are three players who, regardless of their alignment, are going to look like town.

I'm assuming I'm in this group which would be totally nonsensical if I wasn't IC

[Gamma Emerald]

I do think mastina is in general towny fyi

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

im not looking at them doc i'm looking at you and roster . however @everyone else this is the way doc plays as scum so yes i am now convinced this is scum doctor.

-Tells me I must have lots of reads
-Proceeds to ‘dodge’ (using his own definition) questions about reads he has.

...Ok.

I feel like I’m always going to instinctively read Cyrus as scum but the hypocrisy is somewhat astounding.

i already sorted every one but 3 players one reason is i cant lynch one . this leaves two the other reason jackeal isnt posting at all this leaves one and i am currently going over the last ones actions and tones so yes i have lookeed in to all the other 11 players and two of them seem to be scummy to me you and doc. now a little wouldnt it be funny if the cop and doctor didnt know they were pr lol. i mean i have no idea who i am right now besides my name .

[mastina]

There are three players who, regardless of their alignment, are going to look like town.

I'm assuming I'm in this group which would be totally nonsensical if I wasn't IC

No, you're in the group of players who would, regardless of their alignment, look like scum; if you weren't an IC, I could legit make a scumcase on your lackluster play this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay

[Karnage]

I find it no coincidence that two players who previously didn't bat an eye at me. AFTER I expressed a scumread on them. Suddenly are advocating that I should be lynched and my reads ignored. In fact, I am pretty sure that there's even a scumtell named for this tendency. What could it POSSIBLY be?

Not saying your reads should be ignored but I do think you should be lynched at some point. If our roles were reversed, would you want to keep a 3p with an unknown win condition around until endgame?

[Doctor Drew]

I need to stop relying on one games worth of meta to think Menalque might not be scum, because when I read his posts I just see scum.

Been a bit since a votecount thought, and I am too tired, drunk, and lazy to count up the votes. Don't want a LOLhammer.

Also, still would prefer Cyrus, but I guess we will have to sort that out later.

[Doctor Drew]

There are three players who, regardless of their alignment, are going to look like town.

I'm assuming I'm in this group which would be totally nonsensical if I wasn't IC

No, you're in the group of players who would, regardless of their alignment, look like scum; if you weren't an IC, I could legit make a scumcase on your lackluster play this game.

But wouldn't that be chalked up to being confirmed town?

Speaking for myself, if I was confirmed town from the start my heart wouldn't be in it.....would be kind of boring tbh.

[Menalque]

If someone hammers me (if I am at L-1) consider it a scumclaim this early in the day

[Karnage]

I count 4 votes on menalque

[cyrus62]

i honestly think doctor and roster are scum if not both one of them is.

[Doctor Drew]

i honestly think doctor and roster are scum if not both one of them is.

I am not gonna dismiss the possibility of a scum roster, but there is nothing I see now that points to it.

And I already asked you, but what your opinion on LUV and Menalque?

[momo]

Official Vote Count

Menalque

(5): mastina, GreyICE, rosterfoster, Menalque, Karnage

Lil Uzi Vert

(2): The Fonz, Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

(2): Jackal711, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew

(1): Baezu

rosterfoster

(1): cyrus62

Jackal711

(1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-08-28 23:37:49)
Jackal711 has requested replacement.

[Gamma Emerald]

There are three players who, regardless of their alignment, are going to look like town.

I'm assuming I'm in this group which would be totally nonsensical if I wasn't IC

No, you're in the group of players who would, regardless of their alignment, look like scum; if you weren't an IC, I could legit make a scumcase on your lackluster play this game.

But wouldn't that be chalked up to being confirmed town?

Speaking for myself, if I was confirmed town from the start my heart wouldn't be in it.....would be kind of boring tbh.

This is my first time being IC though so it's kinda going to my head

[Gamma Emerald]

But I am probably being even more blase about looking good than I normally do