Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[Baezu]

Votecount 1.01

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

Vorkuta (5) L-2 ~

Vorkuta PenguinPower, NaCl, benhalkum, RCEnigma

Hoptic (1) ~

Gamma Emerald

benhalkum (1) ~

Hoptic

Not Voting (6) ~

Unstuck in time, Platinum Phoenix, tris, NorwegianboyEE, Beta Sapphire, ceejayvinoya

Mod Notes

NaCl is V/LA on 8/31 and 9/1

The day will end in (expired on 2019-09-13 07:03:00)

[Beta Sapphire]

VOTE: Beta Sapphire
Bitches be creepin' on my style.

Hi this is a hydra of ofrhz and Menalque

-o

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice.

[benhalkum]

LOOK i know i said thAT if we could lolhammer then ME or my partner would do so we would, but I'M concerned that's SO likely to hit TOWN that we probably won't do that. That would be bad for town and I want to avoid anything that would hurt town.

I'm going to be honest, I haven't read much of the setup very well since only the mafia really need to , but I don't think there's a Jester in it.
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VOTE: Ben
Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop

Except until you mentioned it, I didn't even realize there was a set up link. Had to go looking for it.

Either way, it is odd that you specifically mentioned mafia and checking out the setup as a requirement. I mean, a couple hours in on day one of day one, its plausible there's a few of us who hadn't yet. Also, if you haven't really read much of the set up, why would you base the opinion there's not a jester or jester-like role? Seems like something you'd confirm before replying back to me. I mean, you're right, there doesn't seem to be. But your so sure post after admitting you haven't looked into it, tells me

you're lying somewhere

.

UNVOTE: Vorkuta

VOTE: Hoptic

[Hoptic]

Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop

Ok this logic is really shitty and promotes bad play.
VOTE: Hoptic

Just want to clarify that I did mean this sentence seriously despite the rest of the post being joking.
Can you expand on what's bad about it? Other than the fact you can't really tell between the two.

-Hop

[benhalkum]

Was curious about the bad play line myself. I mean, you're def lying somewhere Hop, but bad play? I don't see it.

[Hoptic]

LOOK i know i said thAT if we could lolhammer then ME or my partner would do so we would, but I'M concerned that's SO likely to hit TOWN that we probably won't do that. That would be bad for town and I want to avoid anything that would hurt town.

I'm going to be honest, I haven't read much of the setup very well since only the mafia really need to , but I don't think there's a Jester in it.
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VOTE: Ben
Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop

Except until you mentioned it, I didn't even realize there was a set up link. Had to go looking for it.

Either way, it is odd that you specifically mentioned mafia and checking out the setup as a requirement. I mean, a couple hours in on day one of day one, its plausible there's a few of us who hadn't yet. Also, if you haven't really read much of the set up, why would you base the opinion there's not a jester or jester-like role? Seems like something you'd confirm before replying back to me. I mean, you're right, there doesn't seem to be. But your so sure post after admitting you haven't looked into it, tells me

you're lying somewhere

.

UNVOTE: Vorkuta

VOTE: Hoptic

I have skimmed/mostly the setup. I know the roles in it but not how specific things like the spell shield work exactly/differently to a normal game.
I put the --- between the lines to mark that the first half was not serious. Look at the bolded words (LAMIST) followed by me saying I haven't done something that only town wouldn't do. I'm kind of surprised neither of you would point that bit out.

-Hop

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just so everyone is in the clear, i've read the setup and while i really don't understand a single thing about the "points mechanic" i did gather from the setup that we are informed about who the mafia roles are already.
So Baezu has already told us in the second post which mafia roles are in the game:

- The undead role are Zombie, Witch and Ghoul

This means (If i'm understanding this right) that the mafia has looked at the townie power roles and decided they want the 2 specific roles. (Putting aside the generic goon which is called "ghoul" in this setup)

- Zombie
Will always resurrect the next day if lynched. Can only be permanently killed by other means.

- Witch
Basically the mafia rolecop.

(Please explain to me if i misunderstood something.)

[Hoptic]

Skimmed/Mostly read*

I'm letting my partner pick an avatar if they want to. There will be one.

-Hop

[Gamma Emerald]

Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop

Ok this logic is really shitty and promotes bad play.
VOTE: Hoptic

Just want to clarify that I did mean this sentence seriously despite the rest of the post being joking.
Can you expand on what's bad about it? Other than the fact you can't really tell between the two.

-Hop

Are you attacking me for lacking the ability to detect sarcasm? Aside from that, my issue is it feels like you're punishing those who read the setup.

[PenguinPower]

@mod: Can we identify the hydras in the first post

Absolutely!

[NaCl]

Just so everyone is in the clear, i've read the setup and while i really don't understand a single thing about the "points mechanic" i did gather from the setup that we are informed about who the mafia roles are already.
So Baezu has already told us in the second post which mafia roles are in the game:

- The undead role are Zombie, Witch and Ghoul

This means (If i'm understanding this right) that the mafia has looked at the townie power roles and decided they want the 2 specific roles. (Putting aside the generic goon which is called "ghoul" in this setup)

- Zombie
Will always resurrect the next day if lynched. Can only be permanently killed by other means.

- Witch
Basically the mafia rolecop.

(Please explain to me if i misunderstood something.)

Looks like it to me, although there are a few other cases where the zombie can't resurrect (after being lynched in LYLO or if they're the last scum). Also, this means that town have 6 points worth of roles, which could be relevant later in the game, when we get to claims.

[Gamma Emerald]

And more importantly, you're acting like not reading the setup is a town thing to do. It's not towny, it's bad. Maybe town do it more often but it's not something to reward, ever.

[Hoptic]

Punishing is a very strong word for it when we're on page one and I'm voting someone who didn't do what I'm 'punishing' people for doing. It can either be a towntell or someone faking a towntell and I was considering the second of those.

I feel like bolding words 'Look at me I'm so town' isn't exactly subtle.

I understand what you mean about promotes poor play as a principle and do agree with that. Somewhat a problem with games that involve pregame decisions only by the mafia.

-Hop

[Gamma Emerald]

Somewhat a problem with games that involve pregame decisions only by the mafia.

You know I didn't make this connection. You probably have a point.
VOTE: Ben-Bomb
I think Hop's point is valid

[benhalkum]

UNVOTE: Hoptic

VOTE: Vorkuta

Just cause. Back to wanting to see how this goes. Hoptic's cleared confusion, even though I still have some suspicion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Almost 14 days left before deadline. How much of that time are we using before the lynch i wonder? Seems a bit hasty to start voting already so early, but if it puts pressure on players i’m all for it.
VOTE: benhalkum

[Vorkuta]

Good stuff and insightful- ok let's do mechanics then

So based on what the wiki says we know that town has (scum PR points + 3) so whatever combination from the setup table that adds up to that,
I don't think this is the time to speculate about TPRs, but I think it's telling that nothing that messes with a cop or a strongman wasn't chosen

Also let me just UNVOTE:

[Vorkuta]

Hmm, do you prefer town or scum, Vorkuta?

I'm 2-3 as scum so I'm going to go with town because winning feels better
But I have to say it depends on the team and players

[Vorkuta]

My 2 cents
- Not picking a ghost/immortal = no priest
- Not picking bansher = no protective (healer/WH)
- Not picking avenger, and picking a zombie = no vig shot
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So 6 points = trickster, Angel, enchantress... huhhh and of course simple PoE doesn't work

[NaCl]

Why are you speculating on town PRs?

[Vorkuta]

Scum knows what they are. Town doesnt.
We're at a disadvantage so like... trying to rely on a protective when there isn't one in play is bad.

I'm trying to catch up

[NaCl]

Oh, wait, never mind. Scum knows what they are anyways.

p-edit. Ah, you beat me to it.

[Unstuck in Time]

VOTE: benhalkum

That Vorkuta vote was terrible in the first place... but you unvote and revote?

I hope you aren't intentionally trying to end RVS

-TL

[PenguinPower]

...They said as they create an equivalent counterwagon...