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tris · Post Post #175 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:57 am

In post 68, Citceh wrote:Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.

Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?

tris · Post Post #176 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:04 am

In post 165, Citceh wrote:
Doctor Drew:
I've noticed that several of your reads on others are based on meta from previously playing with them. Is there a recent game you could link me which had 3 or more of you in it? It would certainly be fruitful to read through such a game.

This game had 5 of us in it. It's a short one.

tris · Post Post #177 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:10 am

I'm just null on the Citceh hydra

tris · Post Post #178 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:32 am

Hopson slightly town.

Citceh · Post Post #179 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:09 pm

In post 175, tris wrote:
In post 68, Citceh wrote:Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.
Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?

My sincerest apologies. Ignore that please, that was Bobby joking around and conveying clearly flawed logic in jest.

What's the name of this game which had you 5 in it?

Charles, what happened to wanting to engage and discuss? You didn't answer my question, buddy.

-Hectic/SereneAh

Citceh · Post Post #180 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:10 pm

In post 172, tris wrote:Yeah, I think espresso's town.

How come? Another meta read?

-Hectic/Sir-Rene-A

Charles510 · Post Post #181 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:34 pm

In post 167, Citceh wrote:Is this vote on me because you mafiaread me, or was it borne of frustration at Bobby insisting you knew each other?

Both, tricking people into thinking we have some history together seemed kind of scummy to me.

tris · Post Post #182 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:42 pm

In post 179, Citceh wrote:
In post 175, tris wrote:
In post 68, Citceh wrote:Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.
Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?
What's the name of this game which had you 5 in it?

I just linked to it.

In post 180, Citceh wrote:
In post 172, tris wrote:Yeah, I think espresso's town.
How come? Another meta read?

He just seems like he did in the aforementioned game. And furthermore, his thoughts have seemed to flow naturally.

tris · Post Post #183 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:45 pm

In post 149, Charles510 wrote:
In post 148, Doctor Hopson wrote:Why would claiming to be mafia be a scumtell?

-Hop
It certainly doesn't help town.

does it help mafia?

Charles510 · Post Post #184 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:49 pm

In post 183, tris wrote:
In post 149, Charles510 wrote:
In post 148, Doctor Hopson wrote:Why would claiming to be mafia be a scumtell?

-Hop
It certainly doesn't help town.
does it help mafia?

Anything that causes confusion helps mafia I think.

tris · Post Post #185 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:56 pm

What if that confusion causes someone to vote for that player? Like you did.

Charles510 · Post Post #186 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:58 pm

If he were town, he wouldn't be trying to cause confusion

Citceh · Post Post #187 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:59 pm

Oh, I missed that link. Much appreciated.

In post 149, Charles510 wrote:Anything that causes confusion helps mafia I think.

Why should an obvious joke about there being "7 mafia and 2 town" cause any confusion? If anything, it's your reaction and push on it which is causing the confusion here, my friend.

-Hecterena

Charles510 · Post Post #188 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:00 pm

I think we should policy lynch all hydras anyway. I wish I could lynch each head separately.

tris · Post Post #189 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:00 pm

In post 186, Charles510 wrote:If he were town, he wouldn't be trying to cause confusion

Town makes jokes sometimes.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #190 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:41 pm

In post 161, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 160, EspressoPatronum wrote:VOTE: Charles

Reasons above
If this were last game I would vote you here, but you live and you learn. You are playing just like last game, and turned out you were town. So for now I will lean town on you.

But, I don't like the vote on Charles. I get what you don't like about him, but seems more NAI then anything.

You're welcome to disagree with me, but voting me merely out of disagreement is bad form. It's better to look at why I have my view than to judge it on the outcome.

In this case, I am saying that Charles isn't contributing much to discussion, whereas most other are contributing a lot. Here's the argument on which I base this view:

Town who contribute a lot help town, but those who contribute little do not help town. Scum who contribute a lot risk exposing themselves by inconsistencies later in the game, but lurking scum is a relatively safe way to avoid detection.

In light of inactive town being unhelpful and inactive scum being late game threats, my general approach is to lynch inactive people early while we still have room to make mistakes. You usually can't policy a lurker in mylo, but you can in early game.

And the hydras are really getting to me this game, and I guess it is the DocWat head that is bothering me the most. I don't know if I can call it scummy though.

Agreed about the hydras.

[...]
And espresso, we are not policy lynching.

Says you.

We still have a lot of time left in D1 and we'll probably arrive on a decent scumread eventually... but if we don't, I think policy is a valid reason for a vote on D1.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #191 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:43 pm

In post 175, tris wrote:
In post 68, Citceh wrote:Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.
Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?

In post 179, Citceh wrote:
In post 175, tris wrote:
In post 68, Citceh wrote:Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.
Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?
My sincerest apologies. Ignore that please, that was Bobby joking around and conveying clearly flawed logic in jest.

[..]

Hmm, hydra heads are a convenient excuse to wave away inconsistent stances. Something to keep an eye on in the future.

Charles510 · Post Post #192 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:46 pm

In post 190, EspressoPatronum wrote:I am saying that Charles isn't contributing much to discussion, whereas most other are contributing a lot.

What do you mean? I've contributed a lot more than some people.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #193 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:46 pm

In post 179, Citceh wrote:
[...]
Charles, what happened to wanting to engage and discuss? You didn't answer my question, buddy.

-Hectic/SereneAh

+1.

Also, @Charles: I made a request of you earlier in the thread. I would like you to engage by doing that request. I see that you've discussed a bit of your scumread(s), but I'm more interested to hear about your town reads + why.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #194 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:48 pm

In post 192, Charles510 wrote:
In post 190, EspressoPatronum wrote:I am saying that Charles isn't contributing much to discussion, whereas most other are contributing a lot.
What do you mean? I've contributed a lot more than some people.

See my above post regarding my earlier request. In sum, I want to hear your big-picture thoughts on the game thus far.

Also, what are your thoughts on Mastina?

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #195 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:50 pm

In post 181, Charles510 wrote:
In post 167, Citceh wrote:Is this vote on me because you mafiaread me, or was it borne of frustration at Bobby insisting you knew each other?
Both, tricking people into thinking we have some history together seemed kind of scummy to me.

In post 184, Charles510 wrote:
In post 183, tris wrote:
In post 149, Charles510 wrote:
In post 148, Doctor Hopson wrote:Why would claiming to be mafia be a scumtell?

-Hop
It certainly doesn't help town.
does it help mafia?
Anything that causes confusion helps mafia I think.

To be fair to Charles, these are good posts at defending his stance on the Doc Hop vote.

I don't agree that the Doc Hop fake mafia claim was scummy, but I like that Charles is willing to discuss it.

Charles510 · Post Post #196 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:51 pm

In post 194, EspressoPatronum wrote:Also, what are your thoughts on Mastina?

Mastina has only posted twice. What is there to have thoughts on? Probably lurking scum.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #197 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:48 pm

In post 196, Charles510 wrote:
In post 194, EspressoPatronum wrote:Also, what are your thoughts on Mastina?
Mastina has only posted twice. What is there to have thoughts on? Probably lurking scum.

Noted. Thanka for this.

Anything on my other questions?

Charles510 · Post Post #198 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:01 pm

In post 193, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 179, Citceh wrote:
[...]
Charles, what happened to wanting to engage and discuss? You didn't answer my question, buddy.

-Hectic/SereneAh
+1.

Also, @Charles: I made a request of you earlier in the thread. I would like you to engage by doing that request. I see that you've discussed a bit of your scumread(s), but I'm more interested to hear about your town reads + why.

I don’t have any town reads yet. I have scum reads and then that leaves everyone else town. You don’t vote for town, you vote for your best scum read.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #199 (ISO) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:23 pm

In post 198, Charles510 wrote:
In post 193, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 179, Citceh wrote:
[...]
Charles, what happened to wanting to engage and discuss? You didn't answer my question, buddy.

-Hectic/SereneAh
+1.

Also, @Charles: I made a request of you earlier in the thread. I would like you to engage by doing that request. I see that you've discussed a bit of your scumread(s), but I'm more interested to hear about your town reads + why.
I don’t have any town reads yet. I have scum reads and then that leaves everyone else town. You don’t vote for town, you vote for your best scum read.

I recall a few experienced players laying out a convincing argument to me stating that it's easier to find town than scum. therefore, it's more consistent if you can establish a town core then vote for people outside of it. I can link you a game if you're interested in seeing this in action.

The fact that you have no town reads yet is pretty suspicious. Of the people not in your scum reads, can you put them on a spectrum from most to least town?