Open 76 - Polygamist Mafia (Over!) before 604

[bionicchop2]

I was worried Adel was scum with OGML which is a main reason I tried to pull votes of Xtoxm onto myself. With xtoxm away, I though Adel would be able to convince town to lynch him and he wouldn't be around to defend himself. I also was not sure of who OGML/Grimmy had as a partner, but I was completely convinced on them to start the day.

[hasdgfas]

Fifth vote count of Day 2

OhGodMyLife(6): bionicchop2, ZombieSlayer54, Adel, Xtoxm, zoraster, Qman

Adel(1): farside22
Xtoxm(1): Gorrad
bionicchop2(1): OhGodMyLife

Not voting: Grimmy


10 alive, 6 to lynch

[hasdgfas]

Fingers fly during the second half of the meeting. Everyone is worried that the polygamists will take over the town. Eventually, interest is pointed towards the quiet pair of OhGodMyLife and Grimmy. Everyone, and I mean

everyone

else was curious as to why they were so quiet. OhGodMyLife began stammering.

"Uh, uh, uh, look at bionicchop and ZombieSlayer. We may be quiet, but they're definitely polygamists."

That defense wasn't bought by the the others, however, and eventually enough fingers pointed at him that he and Grimmy were dragged to the seashore cliffs and pushed off towards the rocky waters below. Unfortunately for the town, however, nobody followed them to try to save them immediately. Dejected, they expected defeat. Suddenly, they heard sobbing behind them and turned around.

Farside was sobbing on Gorrad's shoulder.

"How could you do that to them? I loved them ju...."

She cut off sharply after she realized what she said. She looked at the angry faces around them, and nodded knowingly at Gorrad. The two of them pulled small guns out of their pockets, pointed them around at the others, and backed slowly towards the cliff.

They turned towards the water, looked each other in the eyes one last time, and jumped to be with their lovers once more.

The town sighed in relief. They found the mayor's murderers and rid the town of the polygamists in their midst. They could finally get back to a normal life.

OhGodMyLife, mafia lover

, lynched Day 2

Grimmy, mafia lover

, killed with his lover Day 2

farside22, mafia lover

, committed suicide Day 2

Gorrad, mafia lover

, committed suicide Day 2


Town Win!

My thoughts coming shortly. Let me know what you thought of my modding, with regards to prodding, replacements, flavor, vote counts, everything. Thanks in advance.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Yay!

Flavor was good.

You delivered prods where they were needed, and not too much, as far as I can tell.

If I recall correctly, your vote counts were accurate most of the time. More than I can say about some mods.

And, even though you did not design the set-up, I still enjoyed it immensely. Puts a whole new perspective upon Mafia, in my view.

[bionicchop2]

very fun game

[Adel]

I think the setup should be run again. If any of you agree, you can nominate it in this thread.

@hasdgfas: I think the only mistake you made was numbering the lover couples (if you only numbered the townie lover couples) in the quicktopic threads. You handled bio's proposed claim pretty well. I think I would've allowed it, but I have a slightly different perspective on that sort of thing than most mods here.

[hasdgfas]

Moderator's thoughts:

On the setup:
Interesting setup, I kinda like it, but I, in addition to Gorrad, found it skewed in favor of the scum, due to there being four of them, and the fact that they wouldn't bus each other to a lynch, so it needed all but one townie to lynch scum Day 1 and every single townie to lynch scum Day 2. I wonder how well "Lover Multiball" would work, with two pairs of mafia lovers and the four pairs of town lovers. Something to try in the future, perhaps, in addition to this being run again, because I'd like to see this again.


On the actual game:
Pregame: I randomized roles and then had to look at them again, due to the fact that the last 4 people on the sign-up list were all mafia, including the three people in the game that I knew best. I just find that weird.
Here are links to the discussion threads. (I can take them down if a group doesn't want theirs up):
Mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/Mja5DYDCVetS
bionic/zs: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/jAjHAviRUNLs
panzer/dcorbe: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/7takwiB4fJ3g
w_f/Qman: The entirety of conversation: w_f: "Hey", Qman: "howdy, howdy"
xtoxm/k7: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/ZudPA8M8Tr9

gameplay:
k7 and w_f lurking, dcorbe being dumb. I honestly don't blame town for that lynch at all. That was, IMO, the right lynch for Day 1.
Day 2 was much more interesting with all the different bandwagons. I thought farside's vote of OGML came at just about the perfect time, and that Xtoxm's unvote could've sealed town to a loss if not for the fact that, from what I saw, both OGML/Grimmy and farside/Gorrad did a bunch of defending of each other. I also thought that scum, except for farside, were quite tunnel visioned day 2 and didn't really comment on that much outside of how bc/zs/xtoxm/z were scum.

Adel's replacing back in after not picking up her original role PM was also a huge boost to the town. If not for that, game would've been much different. I think that if bionic could have made his points slightly better, town would've had this one earlier. I felt like he was putting too much stock in the "I know I'm town" argument as opposed to "this is why OGML is scum."

So, great job town.


For those of you interested in my next game, here's a slight preview.

I expect to have much better flavor for this one since it's my own theme.
Here's what I hope can be a selling point: Everyone gets a unique role PM. Any of you who want to pre-/in can have priority over the other pre-/ins I have if you would like, since you were, for the most part, a great group to mod for.

[hasdgfas]

@hasdgfas: I think the only mistake you made was numbering the lover couples (if you only numbered the townie lover couples) in the quicktopic threads. You handled bio's proposed claim pretty well. I think I would've allowed it, but I have a slightly different perspective on that sort of thing than most mods here.

Yeah, I realized that as soon as bio brought it up. I just had them there to keep them straight in my head, but I could've done that by just bookmarking them and numbering them as opposed to actually posting it in the QT thread. I tried to quash it immediately, however, because I realized it was a mistake right away.

[bionicchop2]

I think that if bionic could have made his points slightly better, town would've had this one earlier. I felt like he was putting too much stock in the "I know I'm town" argument as opposed to "this is why OGML is scum."

Yeah it was a tough duty with the lack of posting from grimmy / gorrad. Also I wasn't sure who I was trying to convince since I didn't know for sure who was town. I figured I could use the numbers that were out there and try to statistically narrow it down. Numbers play big for me in end game situations since they can often be more important than anything anybody has said.

[Adel]

bio, if you want to hear some constructive criticism:try to make you posts more concise and more clear. The number of words you used and your cloudy prose set off my b.s. detector day 1 and day 2.

@cow: I dig the profanity ban. Good for you for going with it and enforcing it.

[zoraster]

it was a pleasure, cow.

I'm not sure it favors the scum so much though. If you just randomly lynched each round, there'd be a 60% chance of a town win. Obviously lots of other things affect the game, but that starting point seems to make it about even.

How many people are in the scifi/fantasy game? I think it sounds great.

[hasdgfas]

@cow: I dig the profanity ban. Good for you for going with it and enforcing it.

Thanks. Profanity is kind of a pet peeve of mine in mafia games. I feel it just detracts from the argument for me. All my games will have no profanity.

How many people are in the scifi/fantasy game? I think it sounds great.

It's a 12 person setup. I've got something like 7 pre-/ins, but a few of those are questionable at this point. If you want /in, I'll give you priority along with the others in this game(not k7) who are interested.

[zoraster]

sure. sounds fun. /in for the record

[Adel]

I'm not sure it favors the scum so much though. If you just randomly lynched each round, there'd be a 60% chance of a town win. Obviously lots of other things affect the game, but that starting point seems to make it about even.

with 66% of the players that brings up an interesting design question that noone has really come up with a conclusive answer to: Should the town win 66% of the time or 50% of the time?

[zoraster]

it's a good question and not one i have the answer to. i suppose it's down to preference. Personally, I think making it fairly close to 50% but erring on the side of town is preferable, but I certainly see the case for trying to match closer to 66%.

[Adel]

Adel's replacing back in after not picking up her original role PM was also a huge boost to the town. If not for that, game would've been much different.

I'd like to think that if I wasn't camping when the role pms went out than I would've kept dcorbe from getting lynched day 1.

[killa seven]

told u farside was scum and lol at me banned from the next game that hurts my feelings

[hasdgfas]

told u farside was scum and lol at me banned from the next game that hurts my feelings

You made it personal. I really don't appreciate that at all.

[killa seven]

ok lol

[Adel]

great, so now a personal vendetta is going to cloud the game. yay!

Can you ask for a replacement killah?

yea your right, since i have a partner in this game its not fair to him. since my personal feelings are gettin in the way.

mod replace me

I trust the matter is settled now, right? I certainly don't want a vendetta clouding my game.

[Xtoxm]

Yay!

I'll make a few comments about the game after my STEP exam this after noon

[killa seven]

great, so now a personal vendetta is going to cloud the game. yay!

Can you ask for a replacement killah?

yea your right, since i have a partner in this game its not fair to him. since my personal feelings are gettin in the way.

mod replace me

I trust the matter is settled now, right? I certainly don't want a vendetta clouding my game.

its been settled. me and farside are cool like ice cream cones.

[Grimmy]

We lost?

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Sorry, I have been ultra busy trying to prepare my work so I can go away for a week.

on that note, If the game hasnt started by the time I get back next week, put me as a pre-in for the sci fi movie game if there is room.

Grimmy
also likes the no profanity rules.

[ZombieSlayer54]

I will pre-/in for Sci-Fi Mafia. Sounds interesting.

[farside22]

great, so now a personal vendetta is going to cloud the game. yay!

Can you ask for a replacement killah?

yea your right, since i have a partner in this game its not fair to him. since my personal feelings are gettin in the way.

mod replace me

I trust the matter is settled now, right? I certainly don't want a vendetta clouding my game.

its been settled. me and farside are cool like ice cream cones.

What he said. I'm a big girl and will let by gone's be by gone's