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Why is forgetting something from a past game towny? Her natural reaction to it? Could have that same reaction as scum too.In post 259, DrDolittle wrote:255 - 257 seems pretty town as well
Other than Hopkirk's change in tone/seriousness, do you have any other reasons to scumread him? I can tell you know that you should write of his memery as mostly NAI, having played with him recently, especially off-site.In post 274, DrDolittle wrote:I think you're big scum dude
Can't fault them for that. Serenity comes from within the soul, and if you look even more closely, you may even find a Paranoid Gun Owner in there.In post 278, DrDolittle wrote:Seems like everyone is following your advice to stay out of trouble and be peaceful
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^This was Lilimip btw.In post 276, Citceh wrote:Having read through the thread I sympathise with Mastina a bit, but it was nice of the mafia not to kill anyone for us after two unexpected deaths.
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EBAWOOPIn post 301, Citceh wrote:
Other than Hopkirk's change in tone/seriousness, do you have any other reasons to scumread him? I can tell youIn post 274, DrDolittle wrote:I think you're big scum dudethat you should write of his memery as mostly NAI, having played with him recently, especially off-site.knownow
You back Doc? Let's hear your gamesolve; who do we lynch today?In post 298, Doctor Drew wrote:Quickly going through mastinas iso, and at the risk of omgus, can you please expound your scum read on me a little bit?
I really don't get the scum reads on you, but I don't understand your scum read on me.
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In post 236, mastina wrote: Separately, even though I sincerely doubt that they're scumbuddies, I actually have suspicions about Doctor Drew as well.In post 237, mastina wrote:Actually.
I prefer this.
VOTE: DrDolittle
He's actually the stronger of the scumreads in the duo of tris/DDL.
How did your read on DDL progress to obvscum between those posts?In post 290, mastina wrote:Basically you're scumreads-for-lack-of-better-options, whereas ddl I actually feel is legit just obvscum.
What's your sound logic on DDL being scum? Give us examples of fabricated posts if that's the only thing the read originates from.In post 290, mastina wrote:None of these are particularly strong, mind you, though I feel that the reasoning on ddl is actually legitimately sound, solid logic which actually incriminates him whereas my scumreads on you and Drew are more like, "I find this suspicious, even though I am not sure it's scum indicative".
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Citceh Townie
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I don't like this post. Honestly, I kind of struggling to see why you've got us down as such a strong townlean. My activity in particular this game has been lacklustre, and I'm surprised you haven't brought that up as alignment-indicative, as I'm usually a lot more active as town.In post 294, Doctor Hopson wrote:Apologies all, Watson here for my first post. It seems like I missed the entirety of D1.
First of all Charles selfvote and Expresso's modkill was unfortunate and killed the game slightly. Charles was a null read for me before their flip and Expresso was a solid townread for me before their flip.
Citceh is a strong townlean for me. I've played with both of them enough to understand their mindset and they haven't done anything so far out of place and they've been pushing forward discussion on day one.
Doctor Drew is a townlean with Charles flip on day one and does seem to be trying to figure out the game.
Clemency hasn't posted much so was a null read for me but now they are being replaced. Though getting replaced makes it a very slight null to townlean on them.
I think the game is solved now as assuming it's a scum duo in this set up. It's between mastina, tris, and DrDolittle. I'm leaning towards a drdolittle and tris duo with both voting for mastina.
Tuesday votes:
7:17PM - DrDolittle votes for Mastina
9:09PM - Tris votes Mastina
9:24PM - Mastina votes Tris
9:30PM - Mastina switches to DrDolittle
@Tris: Why do you like me?
@Mastina: Why do you gut townread/lean Clemency despite him not saying much?
@DrDolittle: In post 254, why did you reference that game in particular for reference, it feels selective just to justify your reads. Have you looked at any other games for reference?
P.S. When I looked at my own ISO, I was surprised to find 37 posts already in there...
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What from Doc has given you the impression he's trying to figure out the game? Examples would be helpful.
And a strong townlean on me and a normal townlean on Doc doesn't mean the game is solved?
Your voting analysis is pretty interesting though for implicating Tris/DDL, though it does make me wonder if they'd wagon someone so close to each other if they were both scum.
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Is this serious?In post 307, Doctor Hopson wrote:I'm become very concerned at this moment that Citceh is mafia here.
@Doctor Watson: can you take a look at this for me.
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@Citceh: Meta reasons. Hectic hasn't had a scum game for a while. I'd imagine as scum you would try to mimic your town play a lot more. At least that's how I would think you would play as scum. I like to profile people how they would think. There's not really much to go off on with the short D1 and modkill.
LvE's read list is similar how I read D1 before so I like her.
Dr Drew did defend Charles to a point so that is plus points. The day didn't last long enough to have more of a read. Hence all I have are leans at the moments.
Just a clarification Townleans =/= Townreads
@Hopkirk - Didn't noticed you were here.
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Not sure if I said this @DDL so I'll repeat it: my issue with your meta was that you didn't check my scumgames AS WELL as my towngames since I'm well aware I'm not playing like either of them here and you've been framing it as 'Hop isn't playing by his towngame so likely scum' without taking the easy/obvious step to follow up on it. Smells of lazy scum/fake underdeveloped read with mala fide intent.
Concerned about Hectic here. Egduf hasn't posted much/she's not what pinged me.
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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10 was 55-45 scum-town.In post 298, Doctor Drew wrote:Quickly going through mastinas iso, and at the risk of omgus, can you please expound your scum read on me a little bit?
16 was 60-40 scum-town.
The read gained some steam in 55, because the unvote felt forced, something done because it'd look town rather than done for actual logical reasons.
The reads in 95 feel flat.
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Hello. Popping in for 5 mi
Your case on me is literally - yo drdo is an awkward person that plays fabricated. But this is anything but LEGITIMATELY sound, solid logic. PS, if you go to my backlog of games, you can see that I'm always wagoned up pretty early. I think I just have an awkward playstyle.In post 290, mastina wrote:All originate from the same source: early D1 play feeling forced/fabricated. [...]
None of these are particularly strong, mind you, though I feel that the reasoning on ddl is actually legitimately sound, solid logic which actually incriminates him.
Which part of my case on mastina do you not understand - I can elaborate it more? Call it burden of proficiency, call it lurking scumbutt, call it senseless logic, but this is not town mastina playing.In post 298, Doctor Drew wrote: I really don't get the scum reads on you, but I don't understand your scum read on me.
Yeah I understand your concern hop. But this is the only game in which we played together, and you rolled town that game but, as you even admit yourself, is completely different play. I can't comment on your scum games, because I haven't seen it, and hastily made uncareful meta accusations is worse than no meta accusations.In post 312, Doctor Hopson wrote:Not sure if I said this @DDL so I'll repeat it: my issue with your meta was that you didn't check my scumgames AS WELL as my towngames...-
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I reread D1 and read his posts. When I started, I was going off of memory. But then I reread the game and remember JUST how bad Dr Dolittle's posts were--and also remembered that this is the sort of posting which matches my mental map of his scumplay meta.In post 304, Citceh wrote:How did your read on DDL progress to obvscum between those posts?
Well for a start. I am like 90% sure this is his scum meta.In post 304, Citceh wrote:What's your sound logic on DDL being scum?
35 and 37 were the initial scumread. His tris's interactions felt like scum theater--even if tris isn't scum, they felt incredibly fake regardless of her alignment.
However.
The real scumread came from 97.
That post?
Pure scum posting. It is the type of post that I enter the game when I'm scum making: a big post to try and be logical and establish strong stances which generate townreads, but all of it is forced. It is 100% entirely a scumpost. It's what made me go from thinking he's scum vaguely to "oh yeah this guy's lockscum".-
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1 - Scum is typically more careful because they naturally have less to work with. Anything they come up with, they need to double or triple check to make sure things are in fact correct, and whether mastina was town or scum in a game since very obvious to checkIn post 301, Citceh wrote:
Why is forgetting something from a past game towny? Her natural reaction to it? Could have that same reaction as scum too.In post 259, DrDolittle wrote:255 - 257 seems pretty town as well
Other than Hopkirk's change in tone/seriousness, do you have any other reasons to scumread him? I can tell you know that you should write of his memery as mostly NAI, having played with him recently, especially off-site.In post 274, DrDolittle wrote:I think you're big scum dude
Can't fault them for that. Serenity comes from within the soul, and if you look even more closely, you may even find a Paranoid Gun Owner in there.In post 278, DrDolittle wrote:Seems like everyone is following your advice to stay out of trouble and be peaceful
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2 - I recall other things that have pinged me, but given this statement, I will drop the meta read a la mathdino. I'll loop back to ISO hop/W again, But right now my biggest scum read is mastina.-
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Honestly it's worse than no meta. My playstyle's definitely changed since then by design. Looking at only one alignment and thinking 'he's playing differently' will just mean you think I'm different in alignment to that game. That's not good since everyone is town a lot more than scum so picking a (effectively) random game is always more likely to make you think I'm more scummy as my style would be different. It's some kind of reverse causation bias that I'm not remembering the name for.you rolled town that game but, as you even admit yourself, is completely different play
I'm interested in you looking at a scumgame of mine and seeing what you think. I've been indirectly asking this for about a week now and feeling worse about you with every day that passed without you taking initiative to do it, and now I'm asking you directly.
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do you want to link me to you scum games? I'll take a read maybe sometime tomorrow, but its a pretty laborious processIn post 320, Doctor Hopson wrote:I'm interested in you looking at a scumgame of mine and seeing what you think. I've been indirectly asking this for about a week now and feeling worse about you with every day that passed without you taking initiative to do it, and now I'm asking you directly.-
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Yup, sure is!In post 315, DrDolittle wrote:Your case on me is literally - yo drdo is an awkward person that plays fabricated.
The problem is your townplay isn't. You think it is, but it actually isn't.
In post 315, DrDolittle wrote:Call it burden of proficiency, call it lurking scumbutt, call it senseless logic, but this is not town mastina playing.In post 291, mastina wrote:
Let me ask a counter question: would you say that it's fair that I am a better scum player than what 236 exhibits?In post 248, DrDolittle wrote:mastina's a much better player than what 236 exhibits, even when shes disengaged. But those reads sound false.
Like... her best read is still from page 1 on tris? The only association on me is that im off wagon, and somehow i become the biggest scum read.
it much rather sounds like lazy-scum doing positioning, and coming up with nonsensical poe to back it up.-
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but this is my townplay?In post 322, mastina wrote:
Yup, sure is!In post 315, DrDolittle wrote:Your case on me is literally - yo drdo is an awkward person that plays fabricated.
The problem is your townplay isn't. You think it is, but it actually isn't.
In post 315, DrDolittle wrote:Call it burden of proficiency, call it lurking scumbutt, call it senseless logic, but this is not town mastina playing.In post 291, mastina wrote:
Let me ask a counter question: would you say that it's fair that I am a better scum player than what 236 exhibits?In post 248, DrDolittle wrote:mastina's a much better player than what 236 exhibits, even when shes disengaged. But those reads sound false.
Like... her best read is still from page 1 on tris? The only association on me is that im off wagon, and somehow i become the biggest scum read.
it much rather sounds like lazy-scum doing positioning, and coming up with nonsensical poe to back it up.
on one hand i appreciate you liking my town play. but on the other im not sure you have seen my town play and your read on me this game seems pretty clear evidence of that.
i don't know about your scum play, but your town play is definitely better than 236 exhibits.
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