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Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:26 pm

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In post 1122, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1120, Vorkuta wrote:There's being honest, being game-solvey, and playing good faith

Then there's being honest, being game-solvey, and playing in good faith.... while being at L-1 (which he basically is)
Okay, sure.

How is it less towny when it's done at L-1, if it still looks genuine?
I think the indicativeness of that largely depends on the player. There's certain town players that will start playing more sensibly when they start getting wagoned, others won't care and won't change their playstyle despite a wagon. However, scum have a lot more incentive to do it because they have more desire to not get lynched than a townie does.

In Elements' case as antitown, he started playing a lot more cautiously and sensible/non-erratically when he started getting wagoned, this was as a lyncher role in a previous game we've played together. Not too familiar with what he'd do as town. And no idea about Chennis.

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Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:27 pm

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In post 1121, Unstuck in Time wrote:I've been disengaged from this game but I still maintain Phoenix and ben are votable.

I am willing to L-1 vote Phoenix.

Something_Smart feels very towny to me.



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Same except for the voting Ben part.

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Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:52 pm

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i've recovered from worse as both alignments so the "l-1" thing means nothing when reading me.
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Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:55 pm

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In post 1123, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1122, Something_Smart wrote:How is it less towny when it's done at L-1, if it still looks genuine?
What even is this question?

Contribution and gamesolves (and all the good stuff) under no pressure whatsoever vs. good stuff under L-1 pressure where the guy is willing to say anything and everything just to diffuse the wagon.
I can't and won't separate "what" a person is saying from "when" a person is saying it.

Like for example (not relevant to this game... I hope :P)- I believe that in a 'dead' game-state, scum has no incentive to post.
Thus anyone doing the bare minimum will get town points for doing so. HOWEVER, if the same person, posted the same content, in the middle of a heated discussion, then he won't get as many town points from me.
wrong.
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Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:59 pm

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{BS S_S}
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is sort of my TRs rn.
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Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:59 pm

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In post 1128, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
In post 1123, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1122, Something_Smart wrote:How is it less towny when it's done at L-1, if it still looks genuine?
What even is this question?

Contribution and gamesolves (and all the good stuff) under no pressure whatsoever vs. good stuff under L-1 pressure where the guy is willing to say anything and everything just to diffuse the wagon.
I can't and won't separate "what" a person is saying from "when" a person is saying it.

Like for example (not relevant to this game... I hope :P)- I believe that in a 'dead' game-state, scum has no incentive to post.
Thus anyone doing the bare minimum will get town points for doing so. HOWEVER, if the same person, posted the same content, in the middle of a heated discussion, then he won't get as many town points from me.
wrong.
thats assuming situations never change and, well, they do.
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Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:01 pm

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althought, uit, your refusal to think for yourself recently has been bad.
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Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:04 pm

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i think vorkuta's last few posts have been his worst btw
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Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:08 pm

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In post 1131, Platinum Phoenix wrote:althought, uit, your refusal to think for yourself recently has been bad.
Is that scummy?
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:14 pm

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no, it's anti-town.
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Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:15 pm

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i think both of them should have the finesse to fake a train of thought too, so.
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Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:26 pm

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Can we get this to L-1 and lynch or move on pls?

I'm not a fan of the talking without voting stuff.
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Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:13 pm

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In post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1085, tris wrote:I don't know. sorry.

I'll figure that out or change my mind when you post more.
lol nice. I'm the one who needs to back up my read? I think burden of proof is on you here.
It's not about burden of proof. I was just wondering if you have any reasons to townread him because those could be reasons I should townread him.

Same goes for the others. Why should Something_Smart be townread?

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Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:31 pm

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Okay. Well rn I think his reaction to the setup change was kinda towny. Like I think it ends up looking warped in some way if he were scum, either by being frustrated by his situation or trying to cover that up. Also I just think his efforts are towny rn.
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Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:44 pm

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In post 1131, Platinum Phoenix wrote:althought, uit, your refusal to think for yourself recently has been bad.
You referring to the last post from TL where he said he'd been willing to vote for you or something else?

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Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:18 am

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In post 1095, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 693, Platinum Phoenix wrote:im inclined to agree

mafia is really stupid for choosing such a shitty PR
This just occurred to me. It's likely that
a specific scum player
wanted to be a zombie because they heavily expected to be lynched early.
As someone who doesn't know most of the people here, who are you talking about?
In post 1113, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1112, Something_Smart wrote:There haven't been enough votecounts for me to really get a good idea of how wagons have been moving. Why does the wagon exist?
My view on it= Bandwagon on Ben accumulates due to him sounding kinda scummy in the start of the game before disappearing for a while. He then comes back and people switch their attention to Phoenix hydra due to them also sounding a bit suspicious.

So both of the wagons are in my view, not very warranted, my main reason for participating is to pressure whoever sounds the most suspicious at any given time. Just your average Day 1 groupthink...
Apart from just putting your vote there, you're not really trying to pressure him, though. And it's entirely possible he gets lynched soon from this wagon. Are you fine with that?
In post 1114, Hoptic wrote:
In post 927, NaCl wrote:
In post 926, PenguinPower wrote:What exactly do you think is weak reasoning, and are you tr'ing fakePP?
Hoptic is on the wagon with no reasoning at all, or none that seems clear to me. Also, I was townreading him due to a misunderstanding earlier, so now I actually need to read his posts, ugh.

Norwegian gives a reason and parks his vote, then doesn't really follow up in any way.

Gamma is okay.

I'm not really townreading PlatinumPhoenix, because I don't really see anything from the slot. If anything, I'm feeling like Chennisden's slightly different from the only game I've played with him. I just find the wagon itself to be strange.
How do you not have a read on the slot.
You dislike the wagon and think it's scum motivated you say?
In post 929, NaCl wrote:I have a stance on Asgard's vote, which is that I don't think he's putting enough effort behind it. And I didn't mention you because you voted way earlier, aren't quite in the same shift from Ben->fake-PP, and I haven't checked over your reasoning.

Also, I'm not townreading Hoptic anymore. I initially believed the blind thing, and thought that if he was scum he would understand how Zombie works. But I missed the part where he said it was a joke until just earlier. Now I actually need to read his posts rather than putting him in a pile in my mind and not worrying about him.
In post 935, NaCl wrote:
In post 933, tris wrote:why would him being blind lead you to townread him?
Because of his inability to understand the Zombie role. His reason behind that was that he was blind, and I figured that if he was scum, his partners would have explained it to him seeing as they picked Zombie.
1. I didn't really see PlatinumPhoeniix as doing anything that made him seem town to me, but at the same time, not really anything scummy. I was more suspicious about how the wagon suddenly grew on him, where a few people suddenly jumped from the Ben wagon to him, and it didn't feel real to me.

2. Believe it or don't, whatever.
In post 1116, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1072, NaCl wrote:Because I'm not really the teamwork kind of guy.
*inhales*
This and the above 3 posts are horrible, but I don't think scum is usually this brazen.
Points for honesty I suppose but damn
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Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:28 am

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In post 1140, NaCl wrote:Look, do you want something from me, Vorkuta?
Your head
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Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:29 am

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About time I put my vote where my mouth is
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Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:52 am

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In post 1140, NaCl wrote:As someone who doesn't know most of the people here, who are you talking about?
Well, I was just trying to provide a theory for why scum would take a role that looks pretty bad.

...However, I did have a player in mind as a likely candidate for doing that:
In post 43, Vorkuta wrote:I'm 2-3 as scum so I'm going to go with town because winning feels better :P
They've been lynched every time I've ever seen them as scum (three times) and never as the last on their team, and they get lynched a fair amount as town, and they are known for weird and inventive scum play. So I could definitely see them insisting on zombie and their teammates obliging.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:55 am

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In post 1143, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1140, NaCl wrote:As someone who doesn't know most of the people here, who are you talking about?
Well, I was just trying to provide a theory for why scum would take a role that looks pretty bad.

...However, I did have a player in mind as a likely candidate for doing that:
In post 43, Vorkuta wrote:I'm 2-3 as scum so I'm going to go with town because winning feels better :P
They've been lynched every time I've ever seen them as scum (three times) and never as the last on their team, and they get lynched a fair amount as town, and they are known for weird and inventive scum play. So I could definitely see them insisting on zombie and their teammates obliging.
Is that a subtle way to suggest you think it's vorkuta?
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Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:55 am

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Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:56 am

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If not, who are you talking about?

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Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:58 am

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In post 1143, Something_Smart wrote:They've been lynched every time I've ever seen them as scum (three times) and never as the last on their team, and they get lynched a fair amount as town, and they are known for weird and inventive scum play. So I could definitely see them insisting on zombie and their teammates obliging.
I'll.... take that as a compliment I suppose.

If you did research on my scum play, you'd also know that I prioritize a team victory and would never selfishly insist on a play like that when/if there are more optimal alternatives at hand.
Also what would I hypothetically even do once I "flip zombie"?
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Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:58 am

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Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:00 am

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In post 1144, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Is that a subtle way to suggest you think it's vorkuta?
It's a non-subtle way to suggest I think it's Vorkuta.

Or, more accurately, I think that if Vorkuta is scum, they're very likely the zombie. It doesn't mean I scumread them just for the zombie existing.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!

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