Micro 887: the coaLITion [game over]

[NC 39]

If it’s already well-known he would.

I could

maybe

buy that if there’s someone here he’s played a few games with (especially a scum game against), but so blatantly? Really?
If he’s scum, it just seems a pointless way to get yourself suspected if you seem to freeze up; the WIFOM seems all negative if he’s scum.

Why didn't YOU care that Achlem was reading you wrong?

I didn't really feel like it needed to be addressed. If it was more substantiated I might have.
Also your reads seem really weak rn

Any in particular?

It's more a general statement because of how ill formed they seem.

However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.

I think in the case of many people — certainly it is for myself — that it’s more of a ‘at the lower end of null’ than a full scumread.

But I do see what you mean. Presumably, I suppose, scum are bussing in such a way that it gets them towncred — either that, or LUV is town. If no one’s scumreading him in a towncred-earning kind of way, then maybe the most likely conclusion is that he’s town...? Is that what you’re saying, here?

Well, we couldn’t possibly know that until he’s flipped but yeah, it’s seems too easy. In DnD, nearly everyone wanted to lynch Lovebird except RC and she wound up flipping town, so I’m thinking RCMA could possibly be right about LUV as well.

Makes sense, I suppose. I’ll take that with a grain of salt, though, because it feels to me as if RCMA have me/EP pegged very definitely as the scumteam, and if they weren’t scumreading me and him, who knows where their reads might be pointed? (If that makes sense.)

Do you think they’re wrong on LUV?

I don’t know — but you definitely have something decent there — when the consensus seems to be ‘they’re most likely scum’, there’s probably something not quite right going on, especially if people aren’t pushing them in a towncred-earning way.

Still wouldn’t really feel comfortable with them in the coalition, though — I’d really like some more reads and thoughts from them on the game, because they just

have not said enough

.

I agree, I’m not ready to put them into my coalition either at this point. I’m hoping he will do more to help me correctly read him but yeah, something about all of the sr on him, is definitely pinging me as possible mislynchbait.

[NC 39]

after doing some cursory re-reading, my thoughts right now are:

spangled town

expresso town

gamma null-leaning town

alchemist null

RC null

LUV null-leaning scum

NC leaning-mafia

hectic mafia

i'm happy to discuss any of these reads, but i don't have the energy right now to explain all of them at once. they're subject to change, too.

Is there some reason, you are ignoring my question to you?

I can see your points on Great pushing against status quo a bit. However I think there’s too much wifom on their rep-in remarks about Clemency. Clemency doing what even he says he does as scum could be null because real life stuff happens but it certainly shouldn’t be a good sign that he’s Town to anyone. And they might not have hard pushed the idea but they are the one who introduced the idea and it comes off as a bit LAMIST for their slot and there’s just no way I can trust it enough for a Coalition vote.

Well, it wasn’t so much him doing what he says he does as scum; he seems to have completely siteflaked, I think, not just disappeared here. No, it’s more around the boldness and WIFOM-ness of the statement, if he was scum — if he knows he freezes up as scum (and probably has done so recently?) he’s definitely not going to mention it, is he?

sky give extension

-nsg

This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy

The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.

this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this

I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However,

it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.

@Great, what is your take on this?

And so many people have already pointed out that this is not nsg’s scumgame, so how are you still reading RCMA as a null?

[NC 39]

I don't like how you structured your PoE reads list, it seems your only real FoS is me, but LUV is lower? In addition there's my pre-exusting confusion about what the middle of the list is supposed to mean. It honestly feels like you vomited out reads without thinking them over really at all. That's what I mean.

It was a list of who I have as towniest to least towniest. It was in tiers, which I’ve already explained. It’s not my problem that you are inexplicably choosing to ignore that. Yes, it’s true, my read on you has plummeted. Maybe if you stop mischaracterizing my posts and insisting you understand my thought process better than I do, that might change.

Your middle makes no sense though wrt what it means.

Once again, what part of “it’s in tiers” are you struggling with? I didn’t have Hectic/Spangled/Alchemist as nulls. I had them as lower than RC/Espresso. - which I already explained to Great. Do you really need me to requote that post or are you just going to continue to disregard it, no matter how many times I say it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, point taken, but in that case what separates those groups? Confidence?

[NC 39]

that's cause i just joined this game.

but that means i should be on your null-list.

why am i on your scum-list?

I never said you were on my scum list.

But I don’t tr you over Hectic/Spangled/Alchemist.

Why do you think I should?

i'm on your scum-list? unless i'm reading your read list wrong

i'm not asking you tr me, i'm asking you

why

you scumread me

It’s in tiers.

We’re obviously at the top. RCMA and Espresso are next, followed by Hecking/Spangled/Alchemist.

You haven’t posted anything to put you higher than any of them

.

What part of the bolded are you misinterpreting?

@Gamma, if you say one more time, you don’t know what the middle line means/or is “confusing” to you, I’m going to start questioning your sincerity.

You are the only player in this game that keeps doing that. How do you think I ought to be reading that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well as it is, it looks like it's completely arbitrary. How am I supposed to read arbitrary read list divisions?

[YOUAREGREAT]

RC null

hectic mafia

Talk about these please

it feels to me like hectic has been approaching the game in a way where he's overly concerned with how people perceive him. when he was criticized on the first page by RC, i think he reacted too strongly and focused on it for too long. similarly, posts like #190 make me feel like he was too concerned with whether or not his actions were being taken as town. it feels LAMIST, in a sense.

granted, i actually do like some of his recent takes on LUV, and i like that he called out expresso for defending his vote on alchemist. but it's odd to me that he's done this whole "alchemist is scum and i'll explain why later but not right now" thing for several days now.

i'm not sold on him being scum, but i feel like his tone and his approach has rubbed me the wrong way the most out of everyone so far.

as for RC, i just feel like they've done nothing so far that they wouldn't be capable of faking as scum. they seem to have lots of frustration with the way the game is being approached, and they're trying to discredit the universal townread on spangled as much as they can. but they haven't taken many solid stances yet as far as reads go and their tone just seems bitter and detached. i don't scumread them but i don't see a reason to believe that they're town yet. also, i was lowkey mad that they tried to discredit my reads/play in #377. seemed like an unnecessarily aggressive way to address me.

[NC 39]

Okay, point taken, but in that case what separates those groups? Confidence?

Stronger reads.

@Great, why are you voting Hecking? I thought he seemed to be sincerely trying to sort LUV. Or are you sr him because of his Alchemist vote? You gave a readslist but didn’t explain any of them.

[NC 39]

Well as it is, it looks like it's completely arbitrary. How am I supposed to read arbitrary read list divisions?

Why? Because you disagree with it?

[YOUAREGREAT]

sky give extension

-nsg

This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy

The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.

this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this

I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.

i actually agree with your thoughts on LUV, which is why i've backed off my scumread on him a bit. he had a few posts that pinged me as scummy but i feel like he's an easy target and is essentially mislynch bait right now.

as for why i null-read RC and scumread hectic, i just explained.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well as it is, it looks like it's completely arbitrary. How am I supposed to read arbitrary read list divisions?

Why? Because you disagree with it?

Because it doesn't make sense to write it like that. Thank you for explaining, but I don't like the fact I had to work so hard for it to happen.

[NC 39]

RC null

hectic mafia

Talk about these please

it feels to me like hectic has been approaching the game in a way where he's overly concerned with how people perceive him. when he was criticized on the first page by RC, i think he reacted too strongly and focused on it for too long. similarly, posts like #190 make me feel like he was too concerned with whether or not his actions were being taken as town. it feels LAMIST, in a sense.

granted, i actually do like some of his recent takes on LUV, and i like that he called out expresso for defending his vote on alchemist. but it's odd to me that he's done this whole "alchemist is scum and i'll explain why later but not right now" thing for several days now.

i'm not sold on him being scum, but i feel like his tone and his approach has rubbed me the wrong way the most out of everyone so far.

as for RC, i just feel like they've done nothing so far that they wouldn't be capable of faking as scum. they seem to have lots of frustration with the way the game is being approached, and they're trying to discredit the universal townread on spangled as much as they can. but they haven't taken many solid stances yet as far as reads go and their tone just seems bitter and detached. i don't scumread them but i don't see a reason to believe that they're town yet. also, i was lowkey mad that they tried to discredit my reads/play in #377. seemed like an unnecessarily aggressive way to address me.

Tbf, some of your reads aren’t making a whole lot of sense to me either. And it’s annoying that you keep dodging my question.

[Gamma Emerald]

as for RC, i just feel like they've done nothing so far that they wouldn't be capable of faking as scum. they seem to have lots of frustration with the way the game is being approached, and they're trying to discredit the universal townread on spangled as much as they can. but they haven't taken many solid stances yet as far as reads go and their tone just seems bitter and detached. i don't scumread them but i don't see a reason to believe that they're town yet. also, i was lowkey mad that they tried to discredit my reads/play in #377. seemed like an unnecessarily aggressive way to address me.

Why does NSG not factor into the read?
Noted about Hectic.

[NC 39]

sky give extension

-nsg

This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy

The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.

this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this

I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.

i actually agree with your thoughts on LUV, which is why i've backed off my scumread on him a bit. he had a few posts that pinged me as scummy but

i feel like he's an easy target and is essentially mislynch bait right now

.

as for why i null-read RC and scumread hectic, i just explained.

Wrt the bolded, That was the very point I was making last night. No wonder I find your reads confusing.

Have you ISO’d any of either RCMA’s or nsg’s scumgames?

[YOUAREGREAT]

RC null

hectic mafia

Talk about these please

it feels to me like hectic has been approaching the game in a way where he's overly concerned with how people perceive him. when he was criticized on the first page by RC, i think he reacted too strongly and focused on it for too long. similarly, posts like #190 make me feel like he was too concerned with whether or not his actions were being taken as town. it feels LAMIST, in a sense.

granted, i actually do like some of his recent takes on LUV, and i like that he called out expresso for defending his vote on alchemist. but it's odd to me that he's done this whole "alchemist is scum and i'll explain why later but not right now" thing for several days now.

i'm not sold on him being scum, but i feel like his tone and his approach has rubbed me the wrong way the most out of everyone so far.

as for RC, i just feel like they've done nothing so far that they wouldn't be capable of faking as scum. they seem to have lots of frustration with the way the game is being approached, and they're trying to discredit the universal townread on spangled as much as they can. but they haven't taken many solid stances yet as far as reads go and their tone just seems bitter and detached. i don't scumread them but i don't see a reason to believe that they're town yet. also, i was lowkey mad that they tried to discredit my reads/play in #377. seemed like an unnecessarily aggressive way to address me.

Tbf, some of your reads aren’t making a whole lot of sense to me either. And it’s annoying that you keep dodging my question.

what question am i dodging? and which of my reads don't make sense to you? it sounds like we agree now that LUV is mislynch bait and shouldn't be the focus of attention.

and nope, i haven't iso'd either of their scumgames. how different is this game from their typical scum-meta?

as for RC, i just feel like they've done nothing so far that they wouldn't be capable of faking as scum. they seem to have lots of frustration with the way the game is being approached, and they're trying to discredit the universal townread on spangled as much as they can. but they haven't taken many solid stances yet as far as reads go and their tone just seems bitter and detached. i don't scumread them but i don't see a reason to believe that they're town yet. also, i was lowkey mad that they tried to discredit my reads/play in #377. seemed like an unnecessarily aggressive way to address me.

Why does NSG not factor into the read?
Noted about Hectic.

i'm factoring in both of them. i think that my read mostly applies to what RC has been saying, but nsg hasn't said anything yet that i consider to be a towntell either.

[NC 39]

what question am i dodging? and which of my reads don't make sense to you?[b{ it sounds like we agree now that LUV is mislynch bait and shouldn't be the focus of attention[/b].

and nope, i haven't iso'd either of their scumgames. how different is this game from their typical scum-meta?

You answered it now and in your last post. Well for one, if we’re agreeing on LUV, why are you sl me? And it’s entirely different for nsg, which is why I suggested you ISO both RCMA’s and nsg’s scumgames, to answer your question.

[Spangled]

@GREAT
Could you flesh out your NC 39 read?

[Spangled]

@Gamma
Could we get a read on GREAT and NC 39?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma
Could we get a read on GREAT and NC 39?

I think it's pretty clear I scumread NC 39. As for YAG I feel like she's town rn.

[Spangled]

@Gamma
Could we get a read on GREAT and NC 39?

I think it's pretty clear I scumread NC 39.

Can you flesh that out a bit, though? I’ve seen you point out occasional things you find scummy, but I really don’t see what it is

generally

in their play that makes them scum — which is more of a determiner of scum than the little scummy things, I find.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd probably say it's not as strong as it was a little bit earlier, but I don't like their way of reacting to things and the way they're handling questioning feels kinda bad

[Spangled]

I'd probably say it's not as strong as it was a little bit earlier, but I don't like their way of reacting to things and the way they're handling questioning feels kinda bad

Some examples, maybe?

[Skygazer]

I've been working on an album lately...

[Skygazer]

...and it's been pretty stressful, but I know that when it comes out...

[Skygazer]

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