Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[chennisden]

i do not have an actual read on you and there's a couple reasons why.

pedit: can you help me remedy my issue of not having a read on you

[chennisden]

there's nothing much to form a read on you with:

townpoints:

your tone isn't terrible
you're not the scummiest

[chennisden]

scumpoints:

Convenient time for you to enter the thread eh

and game flavor

[PenguinPower]

Oooh...game flavor reason.

I'm a fallen cop who was seduced by Jenna Otter and my addiction to caffeine. Solid.

[PenguinPower]

Your scumpoints are bad is what I'm saying btw.

Just want to make that clear.

[PenguinPower]

I have a read on you btw.

But, I need some more coffee first.

[chennisden]

Your scumpoints are bad is what I'm saying btw.

Just want to make that clear.

i also know that, which is why i dont have a read on you.

[chennisden]

So pine seems to agree on Marquis scum, interesting.

[popsofctown]

I prefer the "scum don't defend scum" wine most of the time, and Fishmonger's defense of Marquis squarely falls in most of the time.

I still think the thing where Marquis risked vanillizing all our hiders was NAI, the wording was a mechanical clarification instead of a recommendation. You don't win your scumgames by convincing PRs to do suboptimal things, that just doesn't end well for many reasons.

Can I ask why Kagz is dead?

When he was a little scummy and a caffeinated one shot who had already fired?

I know NKA usually doesn't get you many place but.. this one seems kinda loaded...?

[chennisden]

Who do you think scum killed, pops? The might as well be conftown guy or the caffeinated cop

[popsofctown]

Who do you think scum killed, pops? The might as well be conftown guy or the caffeinated cop

Both.

Flavor Leaf softed 1-shot and hardclaimed "killed Fishmonger" in our neighborhood and was never cc'ed.

I think Kagami's "dies when targeted" tinfoil hat theory was true, it matches the "sickly" adjective in the flavor.

So I'm curious whether the kill implies PP scum or PP notscum.

blah blah blah it strongly implies Flavor Leaf scum but that's boring.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Flavor Leaf]

Pops claimed Friendly Neighbor and isn’t targeting, so I’m all WIFOM in my neighborhood because of that.

That’s why yesterday i kept bringing up let pops go for yesterday.

[PenguinPower]

Convenient time for you to enter the thread eh

[Flavor Leaf]

Oooh...game flavor reason.

I'm a fallen cop who was seduced by Jenna Otter and my addiction to caffeine. Solid.

It really was. I’m outside in Berkeley about to meet some scummers, so obvi I’m just gonna check.

You can go back and look. I was trying to get Pops to prove to me with her friendly neighbor claim that she claimed Night 1 to me.

Pops was hard trying to confirm if I am caffeinated or not by trying to get me to outright claim whether i shot fish or not, which is the exact reason I’m not letting that info out rn, it benefits scum completely.

[PenguinPower]

Wrong post?

[popsofctown]

Flavor Leaf is scum or very antitown.

If he shot Pine, he falsely softed one-shot which is maybe ok but more importantly, he shot Pine
If he shot Kagami, I suggested that I wanted to Friendly Neighbor Kagami because she was scummy and unlikely to be nightkilled, and scum are obligated to report a Friendly Neighbor message, because if they don't it sets up a 1v1. So that just makes him a scum vig who falsely softed 1-shot.

Even if he is wtfbbqsauce vanilla town fakeclaiming vigilanted day 1 because he feels really sure about Pelican and sticking with it, it is antitown to out my role today
Even if he has no killing power it is suspicious for a scummy person who would have been able to confirm me as town to die.

I am not hardclaiming whether I finally decided to FN Kagami vs. not act at all. But Kagami was listed above all other players. It was not even a pool of players.

I only claimed in the neighborhood because he threatened to shoot me N1, while stating he townreads me. He unfortunately has enough moonlogic that I couldn't rule that out from a town variant of him so I claimed. That itself was antitown.

There's a difference between antitown and scummy sometimes.

But Chandra waffling on his slot was scummy for him for sure.

[popsofctown]

Quiz time


which is scummier


asking whether someone is already caffeinated


or begging a player to become caffeinated

Flavor Leaf asked me to use my FN shot a jillion times. I holstered N1

[PenguinPower]

I would like for FL to do something non-FL-like and actually claim if he has been the vig shots. Full claim. No lies. No misdirection.

Fully. I have reasons.

[Marquis]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf let's get this over with.

long overdue. and my POV is it's the last possible scumslot by POE. did a minor reread and now think orshz and jjd are likely town... i hope

[popsofctown]

tbf if the context is right I don't think either has to be scummy if you think it's optimal play
but shooting kagz isn't optimal play
shooting ping isn't optimal play
holstering all game isn't optimal play

the scenarios where FL has played optimally have him with a red PM

[Marquis]

the scenarios where FL has played optimally have him with a red PM

you've put into words what I've felt ever since the vig 1v1.

[popsofctown]

If JJD actually highlighted the slip and he's scum with Chandra I will change my avatar to Scholarship Student, Isis

[Marquis]

his play has consistently led to null-to-optimal gamestates for scum
whereas town has been left blue balled with nothing to show for the stuff he's pulled.

[popsofctown]

now that my role is outed

i don't have a hard mechanical reason to believe Marquis is town

I just know my role is also Friendly Neighbor + Miller and liked the symmetry

And was starting to like his slot anyway

So I softed FN receipt