Yeah- if we believe the claim and Kraeg is town, as I have said there was a lot of people pushing him, ergo scum dont need to risk having 2 players on the wagonIn post 371, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Oh never mind you split them into 2 groups for some other reason.
Sounds like a scum role. It doesn't make me want to unvote him.In post 357, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ugh, I hate this claim.In post 352, Kraeg wrote:I'm theTown Roleblocker.
I don't want this slot to die so I guess I really have to do this. I'm hoping that there's a doctor who will protect me at night. If ever I do get killed tonight, the wagon on me says a lot about who's scum here. I'm confident that the scum team is on my wagon and I will be roleblocking one of them tonight.
Can you please explain why you were playing so strangely like all of D1? You came in guns blazing almost trying to draw attention to yourself. What's the point of that playstyle with your role?
Also, Garmr, is this the type of role you had in mind?
No offence but this is pretty bs. None of my thoughts were far reached and they were pretty all grounded. I thought you would have a actual reason to scum read me. You cna be null scum with kreag,In post 362, Mohab500 wrote:To an extent I agree with the arguments Luca pulls up against Garmr, such as the stuff about speculating over PR for example. But mainly; It is true that both Luca and Garmr inherit somewhat defensive tones during their exchange, but I find Luca's tone more natural compared to Garmr's; thoughts seem more precise and simple, while Garmr's thoughts seem far reached and more like they're looking for stuff from the game or their posts to clear their name. I usually dislike that kind of approach because I feel that very often, town has more straight forward motivations so Garmr just kind of ends up on my wrong side.
This feels unnecessarily combative. Trying to paint my actions as "defensive" even though that is not how i felt at that point. He suggests my crappy first RVS vote apparently was such a big deal that i unvoted due to"pressure" which is a big misrepresentation. Kinda feels like he's trying to build a case out of nothing, i don't see why a townie would want to do this. Sure he gave up eventually, but still a weird way to start the day.In post 35, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Not a fan of Norweigenboy's defensive tone, and definitely not a fan that he unvoted when getting pressure for voting.
^Creating a "We need to lynch either Norwegian or Kraeg!" situation. Again with the LYLO bullcrap.In post 286, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I also feel a bit weird about how focused Norwegian and Kraeg have been on each other. I don't want them both in a LYLO situation at all.
^Suggesting i did something i didn't. I've been very neutral on mohab, only having light suspicions at best.In post 359, Billy Pilgrim wrote:You pivoted almost immediately from Kraeg to Mohab. Why?In post 356, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Mohab, assuming Kraeg is town and not fake claiming. Who do you think is the most suspicious? And do you have any specific townreads?
yeah thats a good point i hadnt considered to be fairIn post 379, Garmr wrote:No offence but all the unvotes on kreag seems like a noob thing to do. Like his probably claimed his real role but his scum which is why he took so long to actually claim because he was deciding to claim his real role or not. Town kreag would of claimed straight away.
In post 382, Mohab500 wrote:It's Kraeg + Garmr.
So you decided to remove your vote, as did nearly the entire wagon, but then you have decided that Garmrs point is valid but he is also scum at the same time?
Actually, it's unrelated to Garmr's point.In post 384, profii wrote:In post 382, Mohab500 wrote:It's Kraeg + Garmr.So you decided to remove your vote, as did nearly the entire wagon, but then you have decided that Garmrs point is valid but he is also scum at the same time?
Explain?
Think everyones established that speculating power roles would be null for me. Because there's no scum motivation in there and as others pointed out Luca was incapable of thinking up a scum motivation when I was in my scenario. So this just seems to me your trying to sheep someone else's logic with out thinking about it. Town would of pondered about it unless it was insti decision but you had time to reflect and read the discussions about it.In post 362, Mohab500 wrote:To an extent I agree with the arguments Luca pulls up against Garmr, such as the stuff about speculating over PR for example. But mainly; It is true that both Luca and Garmr inherit somewhat defensive tones during their exchange, but I find Luca's tone more natural compared to Garmr's; thoughts seem more precise and simple, while Garmr's thoughts seem far reached and more like they're looking for stuff from the game or their posts to clear their name. I usually dislike that kind of approach because I feel that very often, town has more straight forward motivations so Garmr just kind of ends up on my wrong side.
And then on your next post after this, you voted me?In post 363, Mohab500 wrote:I don't specifically read anyone as town, but I do lean town on Skellen; Also had a lean on Billy but I am a bit split on that atm. I'll elaborate and sort everyone else later.In post 356, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Mohab, assuming Kraeg is town and not fake claiming. Who do you think is the most suspicious? And do you have any specific townreads?
As for who is most suspicious, probably Garmr then?
Why did you want him to feel pressured into a claim before he was at L-1 and intent had been given?In post 360, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Yeah it’s kinda incomplete, i just wrote that in a hurry because i wanted Kraeg to feel pressured into roleclaiming.In post 355, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Yeah, if he's scum he is setting up a mis-lynch for day 2. I mean I'm probably suspicious if Kraeg flips red, that much I get, but why is Mohab the only suspect in a green Kraeg flip?In post 349, profii wrote:I dont like this post at allIn post 348, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Kraeg town= Mohab sus
If Kraeg scum= Billy sus.
Either a town victory or good information on who’s scum. Win-win.
Why were you so willing to believe that claim? I mean it was almost immediate. You didn't give us any of your thoughts on whether the claim was genuine. Why were you so quick to believe it?In post 361, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Kraeg isn’t lying he’ll most likely get nightkilled anyway. So i think we should look for another target. If he doesn’t then he will seem more scummy as time goes on right?In post 359, Billy Pilgrim wrote:You pivoted almost immediately from Kraeg to Mohab. Why?In post 356, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Mohab, assuming Kraeg is town and not fake claiming. Who do you think is the most suspicious? And do you have any specific townreads?
I don't know what your group of "no interest in voting group" meant. I did say that I'd either give intent or put him at L-1 if he didn't post a defense in 24 hours. So you can safely say that I was on the wagon. And it seems like you found at least one taker in Norwegian, so if you want to push me, I'm interested in reading the case.In post 369, profii wrote:I'm just going to revisit my theory here because I believe the claim as I already felt like too many people wanted that lynch.In post 321, profii wrote:This is important actuallyIn post 319, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Kraeg, you're at L-1. Someone who isn't on your wagon at the moment gave intent already when you were at L-1. You've seemed pretty uncommitted to the game. You planning on defending yourself, or have you given up?
We have 4 on wagon. Flippy and myself were (are?) Still willing to vote once we thrash it out
That is 6/9 - what does this mean? Few scenarios:
1. Scum team is within {Kraeg / Luca / Billy} as all other players have recently been on the wagon (I haven't checked the 2 ISOs for scum reads on Kraeg either so there is that)
2. As per Billy post, Kraeg has literally given up and scum are either already bussing or showing an intent to bus (if it's me or flippy for sake of thoroughness)
3. We are wrong and kraeg town
I'm leaning towards 2 but 3 keeps pinging in my mind because when you are lynching scum obviously scum resist and with so many people circling above Kraeg I wonder if we are straying from 2 to 3
That means we have a player list as follows:
Now I'm making the assumption I Kraeg is town, so I can remove him and myself from the analysis here on in:.
So i've split the remaining people into 2 camps:
No interest in voting:
3) Luca Blight
9) Billy Pilgrim
At some point interested in voting:
1) Mohab500
2) Skellen
4) Garmr
5) Emperor FlippyNips
7) NorwegianboyEE
so let's consider as the newbie game is 2v7, until we kill 2 scum and the game doesnt end, I'll assume we are too. So, would we expect to see 2 scum within a pile of 5 players trying to get Kraeg to go through? Given Kraeg wasn't oozing town, I dont think scum would feel the need to do so, therefore, let's consider the scum team being split across the 2 groups:
I went back to my 'stream of consciousness post' regarding Billy on Kraeg 237 - I initially thought that scum!billy was defending scum!kraeg but it turns out billy had communicated a certain scummyness about Kraeg so there is a risk that Billy is positioning himself somewhere where he could say Kraeg is town or scum and not draw a high level of scrutiny. This is a problem.
But let's compare that to Luca - looking through the ISO, Luca barely comments on Kraeg, addressing a specific read only once and says "feels naturally scummy to me" but there is little content here
If the cookie crumbled and we were voting off wagon, I'd be picking Billy because his content in respect to Kraeg already alarmed me but I dont think that this the sensible play today so I will park this analysis and look on wagon a bit more...
Garmr seems an interesting one to go first,
I immediately recall Garmr saying Kraeg might have been puling a slayers gambit, ergo inferring Kraeg was probably town. So the first thing I want to consider is why was he on this wagon in the first place? Let's look:
first thing that strikes me is very early in the game Garmr considered Kraeg may have a PR...
He then gets into it with Luca and I'll not drag that back up, defends himself against Billys vote...
Ultimately he 're reads flippy' then votes Kraeg to L-1 him again.
The latest read list was Luca!scum, kraeg!null-scum, EFN!null - so whilst I acknowledge that no one was going for luca and your vote has to go somewhere, I am not sure how the reread enables the Kraeg vote - it strikes me a little bit of L-1 to get the claim out which is obviously scummy...
Mohab next,
So there isn't much to go on but there I'm actually ok with this slot:
he picks up Garmr is scummy for the similar reasons i mentioned above so i like that.
i looked at some of mohabs previous play, i could find 1 scum game and his posting is distinctly more wall post-y compared to this/his past games so i am actually going to give him a meta tick in the town box there (only because there is so little to go on)
overall it's kinda what i'd expect from a relatively new player but the points above aren't making me vote here really...
Skellen,
i think in the majority of skellens posts there is clear thought on how to process each subject she is talking about, this is just oozing town and I'm too lazy to say much more as it seems a bit pointless given how obvious it is ha. So that's all you're getting right now.
EFN,
ok so EFN is crusing for the early parts of this game which is a worry
He also says he struggles to read Skellen when he usually can which is really at odds with what I just said so that is a problem for me.
He also puts Kraeg at L-1 with no real prior exception to the slot, this is a red flag
I really dont like the post where EFN says he just wants a kill 304
ok so that's a slot for vote consideration...
Finally, Norge,
he is consistently scum reading Kraeg all through the day, my issue with this is that Kraeg never really posted enough content to warrant such a 'grudge like' long term scum read (imo) so i could never understand it. I think Norge has shown he plays the game more 'off the cuff' and we'd never expect him to go back through iso/old games to find out more info so it's a bit what you see is what you get - he kinda summarises some of the other events in the game such as the 1v1 so it shows he is paying attention but i think he is just the type of person i never read well... If i advocated for his lynch it would be policy so I'd need other to convince me here...
so in conclusion, I think I need to make my mind up between Garmr and EFN and it is almost a coin toss tbh.
Gonna go for
VOTE: EFN
Explain how you got from 348 to 368 to 372. Because presumably you sorted Kraeg as town from your response to the role claim. So why did Mohab go from being suspect to now inno?In post 372, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I kinda want to believe Mohab is innocent based on gut feeling.
So that means i'd probably pick out either Billy Pilgrim or Emperor from the roster.
Not sure who i'd vote for yet.