Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

A gamestart pm would have been very cool jingle!

[Alisae]

last time we did this "lets try to figure out who would X draft" it was a crapshot. Unless this is just some personal interest its kind of boring

the only one who is allowed to do this
Is me
And I’m not showing my work in thread
Just saying

[Alisae]

Anyhow I just woke up and have a few things to say when am more awake
I then have to play board games with my good friend Titus and Flavor Leaf and the amazing Emperor Flippynips

[Alisae]

grandson why is this game ur revenge game?
I feel like i have more reason to want revenge than u

Because I am pretty triggered that Ari was somehow able to get away with their claim in the last game

[Alisae]

Hey Pine you wanna tell me who your scumteam is
If you’re honest I’ll give you a treat :3

[Alisae]

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

Watermelon doesn’t grow on trees silly Firebringer

[Alisae]

This started in the middle of D&D and a watch shows with friends day, I will be back so much later. Also ack, 5 pages already???? Why did I agree to this again? D:

I don’t plan on posting actual content until midnight pst or later
If you’re around then we can catch up together

[Alisae]

Also Pine
Do you want to tell us how the draft went down?

[Alisae]

A. Lets lynch something that I think is a good lynch. I’m very willing to work with people and open to being convinced on things. Especially early where I consider my reads to be about random. (They’re probably better then I say they are but I don’t have confidence in myself) Mid/Late tho my reads get better and this becomes more important.
B. When interacting with me, please don’t yell or be hostile towards me. I am very fragile and I can’t really take it. I also want everyone to have fun and if its just people being hostile and yelling at each other then the game doesn’t become fun for anyone and no one wants to play in that environment
C. Teamwork is important!
D. If you spampost, refrain from posting until the very end of the day and just do a massive catch up. I’ll most likely be around if you ask me to be around at a certain point, so if you decide to do this and want me around, I will gladly catch up with you
E.

Scum aren’t people

[Alisae]

Fuckin bummed that pine didn’t consider me good enough for the scum team

You fall into the category of “your new and your play is still denveloping” so thats why you weren’t drafted probably
Tho Pine personally wanted to invite you

[Alisae]

You're obvtown already

nonononononononononono
Let me just shut this down Alyssa
Pine is more likely going to draft Firebringer then not.
Bee and I talked about this a lot during the last version of the game.
Fire strengths as town is [redacted]
Fire’s strengths as scum is that he does well with the playerlist and works with every scumteam that Pine drafts.

[Alisae]

hey alisae when should I start reading the thread in analysis mode

I assume when everyone has posted

up 2 u

[Alisae]

Ali was Fire on your Mason list?

uh oooooooooooh

[Alisae]

Ali was Fire on your Mason list?

uh oooooooooooh

I broke a rule, didn't I...

;~;

[Alisae]

Jjh remember my first game with you and I was scum and the setup was super unbalanced?
Good times

[Alisae]

Jjh remember my first game with you and I was scum and the setup was super unbalanced?
Good times

I actually don't and DA is dead now

thank fuck
Well what about Spring Fever
That was a good fucking game

[Alisae]

I’m happy I brought you to this site

[Alisae]

One could even say it was... SUPERB

but I'm not gonna do the thing so don't go looking in old PTs

Haha you still remember it
I wasn’t thinking about it and I don’t even entirely trust you because of how Pine talked about you in the PT.

[Alisae]

Shit
I’m scared

[Alisae]

Also Pine I was more interested in how the draft worked not how it turned out
Like was it the same as last game or?

[Alisae]

Uh oooooh
Its Chennisden everyone
Quick hide

[Alisae]

I still laugh at the people who let ari win last game. I’d change my vote to ank but mobile. I’m probably gonna skim most a lot of this game since I know a lot of the people here spam and that’s gonna ruin any interest I have. So, to keep my interest as high as possible I’ll have to entertain myself.

cya day 3

[Alisae]

Claire you better not stab a poor ali in the back I can’t take such a betrayal

[Alisae]

RUNS FOR YOUR LIFES
QUICK BEFORE HE FLOODS THE THREAD WITH HIS POSTS

[Alisae]

Alright I’m not contributing, I’ma get ready for the meet and head out
Bye bye Pine
Don’t kill our guests while I’m gone, that would be T R A G I C

[Alisae]

I'm too stoned to go through your wine right now Pine thanks for the offer tho

alyssa, make the thread spicy while I'm gone plz :3

[Alisae]

I WANT TO STOP SPAMPOSTING BUT I CAN'T ITS ADDICTING I HAVE A PROBLEM HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP

[Alisae]

Side note Ali I would never stab you. You’re pretty confident in your ability to read me so we should have no worries hopefully

dear that was a long time ago and my confidence was lowered after a certain game

[Alisae]

I mean while I was following MLP I identified you and implo correctly as scum theater and identified Glork as scum late game
I'm sad that I never replaced into that game
so maybe I still have my touch?
Not 100% on that tho

[Alisae]

ali, what were you expecting when you invited me, for me not to spam?

I expected to be a role model for you and for you to follow by how your older-self's example

[Alisae]

This started in the middle of D&D and a watch shows with friends day, I will be back so much later. Also ack, 5 pages already???? Why did I agree to this again? D:

I don’t plan on posting actual content until midnight pst or later
If you’re around then we can catch up together

Aww thanks. I may be, we shall see.

I definitely plan to read as I go, but god, I am rusty. I haven't played a forum game since the Survivormeet Invitational a couple years ago. It may take me a bit to get back into how this all works.

no worries
you do you and I'll try to support you the best I can

[Alisae]

okay I need to get the fuck out of this thread posting is too fucking addicting
bye bye

[Alisae]

Ali, you've posted more than me

uh oooooooh

—

Pine its nothing personal but im putting flipped scum on ignore

Don’t do that! You’ll trigger him >_<

—

Okay, kids, time to simmer down.

You know that "two pages per RL day" limit we talked about? Some of us have squandered a significant portion of our allotment already, and the game's less than six hours old. I'm going to go write some pleasant notes to my friends (and taunting condemnations to my enemies) and check in once more before bed.

Remember, it's always better to respond to a bunch of stuff in a long, contentful post than to spew out trite, brief notes. Multiquote, not multipost.

My overarching strategy in this game will be to lynch lurkers.

Oh! Please do! I love it when people do my job for me!

(See? Even when you get ninjaed it's reasonable to include a response to save space and go easy on the xofelfs of the world.)

This is a silly limit btw. You're expecting people to post twice a real life day on average and be done

I'll try to limit the multiposting, (oops on this multipost btw), but sometimes wallposts are harder to read and you think of something else after ur last post.

Okay let’s talk about this pace.
10 pages in one day?
Not cuttin it

20 pages a day?
I honestly feel like thats reasonable given we have 25 readable slots
Or 25 pages a day
Like honestly, I came back from board games and this feels pretty underwhelming

Its okay to go a little bit faster.

—

Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit. I actually like Ank a tiny bit too. Got a small warm fuzzy from Fireb's opening posts. Leaving on a ferry now gl remember to lynch Ari d1

Scummyduck D;

[Alisae]

This game is 10 pages? WTF. I've been sick and sleeping.

*checks page 10*

Okay, Katsuki is voting Firebringer, sure, why not.

Vote: Firebringer

I'm sure there's good reasons for this.

yeah amazing 10 pages my dude
I almost feel like I got nothing from that

[Alisae]

Alisae, fearing the worst, (...)

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Well, that was easy.

VOTE: the worst

uh oooooh
That moment when the mod outs you as scum

[Alisae]

Not sure with how willing people are on fire when it comes to that but like also
I really think Pine’s dreamteam is
Firebringer, Gamma Emerald, jjh, the worst, Katsuki, and GreyICE
And if thats the fucking team I am going to shit bricks dude

[Alisae]

Dude you should have more confidence in yourself
I think you do fine as scum here

[Alisae]

Actually kinda tilted you didn’t get randed into my masonry but hey dude it happens

[Alisae]

I'm not saying I wouldn't do well as scum, just stating the facts lol (or am I?)
Also do you have access to the masonry yourself? If so I'm truly honored.

mhmm
I wanted you in my masonry I think you do well in this playerlist regardless and um
I kinda think Pine knows that too

Or maybe he’s just sleepin on ya
Who knows

[Alisae]

Jokes aside
You got reads?

[Alisae]

Dude
Should I be worried of people jumping on firebringer?
I’m starting to get a bit worried

[Alisae]

Also dude
I don’t have masons
What the fuck are those

[Alisae]

Dude
Should I be worried of people jumping on firebringer?
I’m starting to get a bit worried

Probably not, it's a big game
I'd honestly ask for a private PT for the game but I'm on good pace to do the "50 posts per IRL day" thing and if I have to compress posting later I can multiquote

well dude
Anything you need to tell me before I sleep?

[Alisae]

I am so confused on the idea lmm pace for this game. So far It has felt pretty ideal tbh. 25 pages a day is a lot, even with a large playerlist.

25 pages means 1 page per player no?

[Alisae]

I get why people wouldn't read all that's been posted so far, but something about Chickadee's post feels funny to me. I'm not saying she's scummy, just something about the tone is registering strangely to me.

I'm not really familiar enough with everyone playing, even Pine, Jingle, and Alisae, to really speculate how they may have chosen scumteam and who would do well here, so I'm not going to speculate on that. That feels like far too much of a distraction. Same with the fruit. I think that fruit will be important later and is a good mechanic to keep track of, but it's very much going to be an incredible distraction. I don't think just Pine will use it that way, but everybody honestly could.

I realize this really isn't all that much of real substance or anything, but this is what I'm thinking so far, and I think the best thing I can do in this game is to share my thoughts. I'm not really one who builds solid readlists or has all sorts of logic to back up a lot of what I think, so apologies in advance if that's what you're looking for.

from what I’ve seen, most people who try to do this don’t do it well. I have my notes from previous iterations so I can try but generally, its not going to end up well if you don’t know what you’re doing/

[Alisae]

Not sure with how willing people are on fire when it comes to that but like also
I really think Pine’s dreamteam is
Firebringer, Gamma Emerald, jjh, the worst, Katsuki, and GreyICE
And if thats the fucking team I am going to shit bricks dude

Damn. Ali got half of you. This may be more difficult than expected.

Fruit is a game mechanic, read the OP

Oh, Pine hands them out for WIFOM purposes. Gee. So Katsuki was goodvoting I see.

Pull back the wide-eyed innocence, it's awkward on you

ok cool lets lynch in there!

[Alisae]

Okay so, went climbing yesterday, I'm tired and sore, but Xof has major scum equity this game so I was taking an eye on her entrance and it's not impressive. It sounds like Xof, but almost like the viewpoint wasn't generated by her.

Kind of like the viewpoint was generated by committee with some help from an evil tree, actually.

Also it's super non-committal, which isn't EXACTLY outside town!Xof's range to open into this game, but it's certainly just on the edge of it, where as it lands SPECIFICALLY in the range for scum!Xof's game, abusing (as she should) her status as newly returning to mafia as a weapon to evade a lot of criticism.

The post is just not good. Tonally, it reeks of sidelining, and is phrased in a way that leaves just enough opportunity open to be corrected or deflected if needed.

Look at the following statements:

"I'm not saying she's scummy, just something about the tone is registering strangely to me."
"I don't think just Pine will use it that way, but everybody honestly could."
"I realize this really isn't all that much of real substance or anything, but this is what I'm thinking so far,"

there's more of this word optimization in there as well, but these are the clear examples where Xof espouses an opinion and then, to ensure that she isn't seen to be pushing an agenda too hard, she dilutes the opinion with a defensive statement of uncertainty.

Given Xof is mainly a survivor player, I can tell you with decent certainty that if a survivor player started talking like this, it's because they have an agenda and don't wanna be caught pushing it too hard. It's a

disarming

tactic, to get people to feel less concerned.

And I think it means she's pretty easily scum here. Pine has equity to pick her, plain and simple, because her renewal into Mafia makes her an unappetizing target to lynch early on and buys her time. Her post was not just weak, but weak with an agenda which makes me feel very nauseated towards it, and her tonality matches that of someone with something to hide.

My question is if people will have the guts to lynch her Day 1 or nah. Y'all gonna feel bad for her, or y'all wanna win this fucking game son?

Vote:Xof

YOU WILL LEAVE MY XOLELF ALONE D;

[Alisae]

XOLELF VOTES
BAD
STOP

[Alisae]

Yo Ali are you down for deciding on people who are allowed to request fruit from Pine?

let me think on it my dude

[Alisae]

BTW debated on whether or not to actually claim this, but ehhhhh, fuckit, I'll take the risk.
I'm a bulletproof vigilante with a "masonry" (read: neighborhood) with Pine.
Decided to claim because neighbor with confscum, Vig I won't use, and Pine probably already guessed the bp part, so.

you use the vig on who I tell you to

[Alisae]

Thats actually not a question mastina
If i have a vig thats claiming its 100% getting leashed

[Alisae]

Thats a superb vote my dude
Move it to firebringer

[Alisae]

I need the masons to help me decide on if who, if anyone, is going to be allowed to ask for fruit. I am thinking of letting it be chaos for a few days because who goes for it will be interesting but don’t consider this official.

[Alisae]

I really want to lynch fire, not xolelf now.
The more I see Fire post the more I don’t really mind votes on him.

Pedit: Get over it Fire needs to die

[Alisae]

Also really not understanding the Krazy vote my dude.
Plenty of other active people to vote who are playing but parking on Krazy seems kinda????

[Alisae]

If you don’t want to vote Fire I can also do za waursto

[Alisae]

I'd rather do Fire than tw

I see c:

[Alisae]

Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic

Truth: this mechanic is designed to resist leashing

oh I’m sure I can outplay you

[Alisae]

I will embrace
the chickadee

[Alisae]

maybe xofelf is scum....alisae thinks xofelf is town.

NO
STOP

[Alisae]

NOT COOL DUDE

[Alisae]

>_<

[Alisae]

I am a third party!

[Alisae]

wait a min

[Alisae]

SHUT UP
STOP BULLYING ME
I KNOW MY EARLY GAME IS TRASH BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BULLY ME FOR IT
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ;~;

[Alisae]

wow firebringer
thats a nice case you got there!

[Alisae]

VOTE: firebringer

[Alisae]

you realize our votes aren't being put on vcs right?

[Alisae]

Alisae

do you have a rough read for how much presence the scumteam has had so far?

i like jjh the worst and fire for scum
and thats based off of pine wifom

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Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic

Truth: this mechanic is designed to resist leashing

oh I’m sure I can outplay you

Challenge accepted.

Oh, and you’re fortunate, my early game is trash too. Your retainers have gotten me to admit way more than I planned to.

...Or did they? Have I given away too much? Or just enough?

Bring your A game alisae. I don't like ur C game. Or is this D game?

d game sounds too much like dick game.

I’m going to pass on Ali’s D game, thanks.

I’d much rather e bring eir A game. More humiliating when e loses.

yeah dude you said too much lmao
I actually know how to deal with your wine my guy.

[Alisae]

talk to me about jjh? he's my biggest question mark so far at about 6 pages in

I feel like his general track so far was confidently tunneled in a less overblown way than in vengeful spirits but at the same time, the content I'm seeing directly... isn't good

He's not really doing anything imo.

--

i like jjh the worst and fire for scum
and

thats based off of pine wifom

okay a bit more then pine wifom

[Alisae]

can I have fruit?

[Alisae]

bargain: neighborize

Lets talk.

CHICKADEE
BAD

[Alisae]

don't give her that fruit Pine
don't you do it

[Alisae]

VOTE: Chickadee

your vote is better on jjh or fire or the worst

[Alisae]

neighborize is such a shit power, what are you possibly worried about?

scum team will hear chickadee and whoever she neighborize talk at night about bone drawings?

CHICKADEE
NO
BAD

[Alisae]

bargain: neighborize

Lets talk.

I will give you the Neighborizer fruit if you vote for Firebringer and do not move your vote for one full week. The fruit will be granted to you either at the end of that week or in twilight, whichever comes first.

TAKE IT CHICKADEE

[Alisae]

Firebringer is having the time of his life right now

[Alisae]

bargain: neighborize

Lets talk.

I will give you the Neighborizer fruit if you vote for Firebringer and do not move your vote for one full week. The fruit will be granted to you either at the end of that week or in twilight, whichever comes first.

Hmm....that leaves a very small window to not be voting FB, who I actually do think is town.

Ali - If the condition were voting someone else, would you still encourage me to take it?

it really would depend on who
xolelf would be a hard no tho

[Alisae]

whats up with your concerns towards Fire?
I can ease you up a bit there

[Alisae]

at this point
every time I've played with pops I've read her wrong so...

[Alisae]

Can I like actually win a scumgame before I get upgraded to paranoia scum tier

Guns and Roses 2 was a 1 mislynch game, it can't count.

ur upgraded to paranoia tier because regardless you seem to play really well
ur still great to play with

[Alisae]

anyways I'm going to leave the thread for a while again to avoid hyperposting unless I'm specifically needed for anything

I have a reads list but I'm avoiding posting it until I see something that I'm waiting for

and to have more reads since I don't have reads on half the playerilst atm

you have permission to hyperpost

[Alisae]

Ali

Where are you on Gamma Emerald

thats halfa humina

[Alisae]

Because I don’t like chickadee asking for fruit immediately (I think twice because iirc it was her entrance too?), I don’t like how good the bargain pine’s giving her is, neighbouriser is like my favourite power theoretically and yet I never fucking get it

Also, VOTE: xof

Not totally sure I agree with LLD about the not engaging with pine thing but I thought the logic made sense from town because I’d been wondering about the same thing myself

NO
STOP

[Alisae]

idunno how obvious I need to make it to establish that voting xolelf is not cool

[Alisae]

that might be the single most disgusting couple of posts I've seen in a while

Are you referring to me?

idunno how obvious I need to make it to establish that voting xolelf is not cool

Do you actually think that xof is town or you’re just looking forward to playing with them?

Xof
is
town

[Alisae]

Spoiler: Firebringer townslip

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

This post is a townslip for Firebringer.

Both town Firebringer and scum Firebringer would create this list in an effort to look scummy. That is the way Firebringer plays mafia or something. I don't know.

But only townFirebringer would produce this list, because scumFirebringer would have consulted the scum PT. Would he have faked them or listed them totally inaccurately? I don't know. There is really no telling. His thought processes are literally made of magma.
But whether the list was genuine or fake, they'd be produced conscious of what was in the scum PT. He'd either make all of their flavor correct, or make none of the flavor correct. That's not my assumption based on me expecting scum!Firebringer to go through dramatic machinations to fool us, just what I think would be more cognitively convenient.

But this list is partially aligned with the likely images in the scum PT rather than fully disjoint or fully aligned. Yoshi's Story images would have been the easiest to obtain (we have one already), and it includes a Red Apple, Banana, Watermelon, and Grapes. I checked more carefully for Black Apple, but there's no Black Apples or Limes out there in any of the source games.

Particularly clinching is that Firebringer used the terms "Banana" and "Grapes". The sprite for bananas in Yoshi's Story depicts a bunch of three bananas, rather than just one. And "Grapes" shows he was not just blindly singularizing all of the items. He would have been more likely to say "Bananas"

At the end of the list, he has run out of creativity and used "apple" again, choosing a recolor. It's doubtful Jingle had to resort to any recolors, which would only be applicable for some of the berries in Paper Mario, so recolored fruit wouldn't be on his mind after looking in the PT. It's also doubtful that -even if- Firebringer decided "I'm going to make a list of seven fruits but I'll make some up and some will be real", that he would run out of ideas and need to resort to a recolor. He would have a five fruit head start because at least five of these were really visible in the PT. It is much more difficult if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents than it is if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents other than Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

This is probably my strongest townread in the game right now, I have a couple others. Firebringer has also been behaving protown in a couple other ways.

I disagree with this

[Alisae]

Spoiler: Firebringer townslip

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

This post is a townslip for Firebringer.

Both town Firebringer and scum Firebringer would create this list in an effort to look scummy. That is the way Firebringer plays mafia or something. I don't know.

But only townFirebringer would produce this list, because scumFirebringer would have consulted the scum PT. Would he have faked them or listed them totally inaccurately? I don't know. There is really no telling. His thought processes are literally made of magma.
But whether the list was genuine or fake, they'd be produced conscious of what was in the scum PT. He'd either make all of their flavor correct, or make none of the flavor correct. That's not my assumption based on me expecting scum!Firebringer to go through dramatic machinations to fool us, just what I think would be more cognitively convenient.

But this list is partially aligned with the likely images in the scum PT rather than fully disjoint or fully aligned. Yoshi's Story images would have been the easiest to obtain (we have one already), and it includes a Red Apple, Banana, Watermelon, and Grapes. I checked more carefully for Black Apple, but there's no Black Apples or Limes out there in any of the source games.

Particularly clinching is that Firebringer used the terms "Banana" and "Grapes". The sprite for bananas in Yoshi's Story depicts a bunch of three bananas, rather than just one. And "Grapes" shows he was not just blindly singularizing all of the items. He would have been more likely to say "Bananas"

At the end of the list, he has run out of creativity and used "apple" again, choosing a recolor. It's doubtful Jingle had to resort to any recolors, which would only be applicable for some of the berries in Paper Mario, so recolored fruit wouldn't be on his mind after looking in the PT. It's also doubtful that -even if- Firebringer decided "I'm going to make a list of seven fruits but I'll make some up and some will be real", that he would run out of ideas and need to resort to a recolor. He would have a five fruit head start because at least five of these were really visible in the PT. It is much more difficult if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents than it is if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents other than Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

This is probably my strongest townread in the game right now, I have a couple others. Firebringer has also been behaving protown in a couple other ways.

I disagree with this

Me too

I'm glad we can agree on something!

[Alisae]

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

disagree

[Alisae]

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

disagree

Because of Fire daddy?

fire za waursto jjh and maybe pops

[Alisae]

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

disagree

Because of Fire daddy?

fire za waursto jjh and maybe pops

no >_<

[Alisae]

what exactly was peoples expectations for this 27 player game exactly? Like I mean really....

how is this long?

The 27 player game is not a good argument since it's only two players hyperposting, with one of them being an IC. Just sayin', not complainin', I don't mind the pace of the game, and I like Ali and you Fire daddy.

I think the pace should be faster

[Alisae]

See? You both agree. Ali, townread Fire daddy

I think Pine 100% of the time always drafts Firebringer.
Its kind of a fact tbh

[Alisae]

I have notes from Pine's previous draft and a really good idea of his thought process behind the draft
Fire is scum

[Alisae]

its not really Pine wine and moreso valuing Firebringer's strengths.
Scum!Firebringer does well with the playerlist and he works well with mostly every team Pine drafts
its too good of a lynch to not lynch

[Alisae]

- If a player is old and came out of retirement to play, or is new and their play is still developing, they most likely were randed town
- If Pine doesn't have the meta knowledge or personal experience with a player, they are most likely town
- If Pine does not work well with them they are most likely town

From there, Pine has a smaller list of people that he can work with to try and assemble his dream team.

[Alisae]

- If a player is old and came out of retirement to play, or is new and their play is still developing, they most likely were randed town
- If Pine doesn't have the meta knowledge or personal experience with a player, they are most likely town
- If Pine does not work well with them they are most likely town

From there, Pine has a smaller list of people that he can work with to try and assemble his dream team.

One more thing
- If Pine feels like a person isn't strong enough or willing to be scum at the level this level, they're town.

[Alisae]

If you want to say "Pine is most likely not going to draft X"
your reason can only be any of the 4 reasons that I provided
and if you decide to do that, we'll discuss it

[Alisae]

I am so confused on the idea lmm pace for this game. So far It has felt pretty ideal tbh. 25 pages a day is a lot, even with a large playerlist.

25 pages means 1 page per player no?

yeah but are we expected to make 25 posts a day? That's a fucktonne!

not expected but prefered

[Alisae]

ari just play the game and post content as long as you do that I'm happy

[Alisae]

Ari do you want to know what I expect of you?

[Alisae]

if you can't satisfy this one expectation we can't be friends

[Alisae]

Ari my expectation of you is to have fun
if you don't have fun
we can't be friends

[Alisae]

Hey

Fuckwits

Seriously stop doing that

It is in fact actually quite rude

Do you see how it’s possible to string multiple sentences and thoughts in the same post?

This isn’t a joke

pine i have a confession to make

[Alisae]

i have no idea what you're talking about

[Alisae]

IM BACK FOR ANOTHER PAGETOP

we didn't invite you for this this is too big brain for us

[Alisae]

yo what do I order from doordash

[Alisae]

my wendys is closed bruh

[Alisae]

hard banned

[Alisae]

i never ever ever want to play with pops ever again D;

[Alisae]

Icon when you’re done catching up I want regfan readlists
And I want them NOW!

[Alisae]

VOTE: Chennis

FB/Chick/Dann town.

This game is way too big for me to have a lot more then this rn...

Describe why you have those 3 as town as nuanced as possible

[Alisae]

Be as deep as possible!

[Alisae]

I am high

[Alisae]

I don't really have a counterargument. I just want fruit. I know I'm town and that's good enough for me. I'm not here to be liked. I'm here to drown in a huge game, and god damn if I'm gonna drown and be miserable, I'm gonna eat fruit.

I don't dislike the plan of Ali suggesting fruit bargainers, but there's nothing to say Pine has to go for anyone Ali suggests. And Ali doesn't have all the answers anyway.

Chikadee's townread is more feel then the other ones. This post in particular feels very 'free flowing'. Not caring. No agenda. 'I'm not here to be liked'.
This is town doing it's own goddamn thing and the others can suck it if they don't like it. It reads like town to me I don't think I can put it any other way.

no
Bad

[Alisae]

If scum are going to make up a reason to want fruit
They do what Chickadee is doing

[Alisae]

I’m going to make a Dragonite out of you

[Alisae]

If scum make an excuse to get fruit why do they overplay it before fruit has been offered? Ali this is what you're suggesting scum!chickadee is doing? I think you've settled on the read and you're looking for reasons for it rather than common sense checking the motive you're seeing (sry ilu but your counter to Mr. Dragon was Bad)

to justify it

[Alisae]

hi its me
sounboard
i'll be here all game
literally

[Alisae]

I am just going to leave THE WORST as THE WORST TOWNIE EVER
god why did I invite that duck, he is just the worst

[Alisae]

I'm not sorry Alisae, not sorry at all. >:c
Without having read in depth I like Gamma, GreyICE, Chickadee, Iconeum Ank and Dann in varying degrees

you're gonna have to explain some of these

[Alisae]

like I really don't understand whats likable about Chickadee or GreyICE
I can kinda understand Ank and Gamma tho

[Alisae]

Pine wants me to say I'm a mason. I'm a mason. My mason buddy is Untrod Tripod. Please shoot us both.

like this looks fake and his iso is shit
so...

[Alisae]

I think I am going to sleep and wake up to hope UT votes something cool
because I will probably be buying his products and advocating for them across the world.

[Alisae]

I wanna see the product you are selling too so I can also adovcate that across the world

[Alisae]

I'm sorry my early game reads suck so I am going to have hide behind the players with good reads c:

[Alisae]

Alisae, my points on Xof are completely valid and fit well within the range of Pine's picks.

I want you to look me dead in the metaphorical internet eye and tell me this isn't just you being protective of a player who is coming back to the game after a time away from it.

Cause I expected this kind of resistance and I'm ready and willing to ram this down the throat of town because I feel pretty fucking confident, and these other wagons all feel very.... I don't like the way they are going, mostly due to how the votes on the pooled as opposed to having a strong feeling about the people themselves (Firebringer is super null, but I dislike the votes on that wagon immensily).

So, if you tell me this is for real and you actually town read Xof I will switch and find some other scumfuck to nail to the wall but know this

You gave us all a speech going into this game about how we should play and begging us not to bully you but you've literally been throwing your weight around at everybody. I know you're town but that don't make you fucking god. I'm willing to play ball but if I find out you've just been straight lying to ensure I push reads you approve instead of reads you don't I swear to god I will treat you like Pine this game, cause you'll be more anti-town than he is.

So let me ask this plainly

I have Xof!Scum dead to rights here, and you're calling her completely town. Is this a kneejerk reaction protecting a player you don't want to see die for personal reasons? Yes or No.

Firstly, thanks this is cool
Secondly, I wanna get back to you on this later and I am kinda just saying atm “I read this but I can’t respond to it atm”

[Alisae]

I’ll stop shoving my weight around tho
I shouldn’t be doing that considering this playerlist and its too early for that when I am negative utility read wise d1 but definitely have other uses and I should focus on those.
LLD if you could explain moreso what you’re feeling when it comes to everyone else? I know you said you don’t like it but what are you seeing that I’m not seeing that you dislike?

[Alisae]

I got a love letter from Pine. ahhhhhhh

awwwwwwwwww

[Alisae]

holy fucking shit this is so many pages

I got a message from the mod saying that they wanted to mislynch me, so I'm guessing it was from scum? scum message sender is a hilarious fucking role.

it was from pine
you are most likely town tbh

[Alisae]

ut please catch up!
I am really interested in what your reads are because I will probably follow you since everytime we were both town with each other you were right and I never listened to you, especially early

[Alisae]

Ali you're missing something

?

[Alisae]

I did

[Alisae]

what's your point jjh?

[Alisae]

Was yours signed?

dude don't do him in like that
thats just sad

[Alisae]

really pushin the gun here

[Alisae]

I just wanna see ut's content please

[Alisae]

Look
its VERY possible that Pine doesn't sign one message just to fuck with people
let's not forget that thats very in the realm of possibility

[Alisae]

This could be a very useful talking point
but now is not really the time to talk about it I feel like

[Alisae]

I just wanna see ut's content please

This IS content

Doesn't matter where the journey begins

I want READS

[Alisae]

holy fucking shit this is so many pages

I got a message from the mod saying that they wanted to mislynch me, so I'm guessing it was from scum? scum message sender is a hilarious fucking role.

weird question
how many pages were you expecting?

[Alisae]

Oh hey, we can “endorse” candidates?

VOTE: Firebringer

You give fruit
I can endorse candidates
fuck off my guy and let me have my only thing thats special to me

[Alisae]

Look
its VERY possible that Pine doesn't sign one message just to fuck with people
let's not forget that thats very in the realm of possibility

except UT just backtracked and said it was signed by Pine

soooooo

just to clarify

did anyone NOT get a letter?

he did?
Cool
Still wanna see him play the game and his reads

[Alisae]

LOL PINE THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS!

WDYM THOUGH THAT I'M TOO UNCONTROLLABLE THO
DID YOU FORGET ABOUT HOW I SINGLEHANDEDLY SALVAGED YOUR SCUMTEAM LAST TIME I PLAYED CAMN'S REVENGE WITH YOU???



p-edit: Mine was him complimenting my scumplay then saying he didn't take me because I'm too uncontrollable+unpredictable for him along with the delight he'll have hanging me lol

Ari and I saved that game. You were a handy, ablative distraction.

Oh sorry, you were referring to the first Revenge game, in which

SirCakez

and I saved the game, and you were ablative distraction who almost managed to not get lynched on D2.

uhhhhhhhhh?

Let me refresh your memory.

I replaced into a slot that was about to get lynched at L-1/2, salvaged that slot, got the strongest town player who would've decimated your team to sacrifice himself N1 in order to confirm whether I was town or scum, and managed to tie other townies to my slot with only a few RL days worth of play.

You don't win that game without me saving your hide, any other player would've ate the D1 lynch.

this post restrictions sucks
I enjoyed the one where you posted pepes
that shit was hilarious

[Alisae]

my letter wasn't personal

[Alisae]

:surprised pikachu:

[Alisae]

o wait it kinda was

[Alisae]

Well, if I’m a vig you won’t leash me. But I think you already know I beat to my own drum. But don’t worry this isn’t really important because we know I’d never get picked to be a PR~

I would negotiate a shot with you
which is basically the samething but you get a say in the matter

[Alisae]

aww Claire called me cute

[Alisae]

I like this wagon

I don't

[Alisae]

I think Mena townish
I'm not ready to force what I want to lynch through atm but as long as there isn't a lynch and I am able to push the reads I want to push, I'll be happy

I am just being patient and now is not the time for that.

[Alisae]

Pine's letter to me was something I didn't expect a lot of people to know about me and made me want to try harder in this game just for him. So thanks Pine.

aww that sounds adorable

[Alisae]

The worst is a good information wagon
Mena is just a good wagon
I read like 4 fire posts out of habit and he came out scummy
pops is a less confident sr but one I have.

Need anything else from me? No? Good, I'm going afk

lld?

[Alisae]

other then that
you're good bye bye claire
we need to play streets of rogue together thats a really good video game and you said we would but we never got around to it

[Alisae]

Mena who would you neighbourize if you had it

[Alisae]

why is this my 156th post WHAT THE FUCK ME

OKAY
I'm off to do something else bye bye

[Alisae]

Because I really didn't like how you didn't like chickadee immediately asking for the fruit so you just..
did it yourself???

my 157th post before going to do something else is going to tell that
I can see that coming from town!mena

[Alisae]

my 158th post will be about me complaining I have a problem

HELP I HAVE A SERIOUS FUCKING PROBLEM I'M HAVING TOO MUCH FUN PLAYING THE GAME AND I WANT TO KEEP POSTING BUT I KNOW I SHOULDN'T

WHAT DO I DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Alisae]

I'm surprised there's been so little from DGB. She shows up to say she'll lynch lurkers, and only votes me, and gives absolutely nothing else. This isn't the DGB I remember.
I can't tell if I feel weird about theworst because he's just fairly busy or if he's scummy. I say he's less here and then looked at his ISO and he's sure posted a lot more than I expected he had. It's probably a bit pot/kettle, but most of his posts seem to be posts for the sake of posting and fairly filler. And that just raises some more flags for me.

I like these reads

[Alisae]

good work xofelf

[Alisae]

and so it begins

[Alisae]

(expired on 2019-09-12 20:08:54)

[Alisae]

Pine you have that long to lynch someone and night kill a mason until I unfurl the banners and go on a raging war path
best of luck friend

[Alisae]

I need to go nap my head is swimming. Ali do you want me to talk about anyone in particular for when I wake up

GreyICE would be nice

[Alisae]

also UT when he's more readable and has a bit more to say

[Alisae]

thats not my msg wtf??????????

[Alisae]

I need to go nap my head is swimming. Ali do you want me to talk about anyone in particular for when I wake up

GreyICE would be nice

oh LLD ignore this, I'm like, half paying attention, and kinda high, and didn't notice it you spoke about it already

[Alisae]

thats not my msg wtf??????????

...Unless Jingle altered it, yes it was.

??????????????????????

[Alisae]

thats not my msg wtf??????????

...Unless Jingle altered it, yes it was.

??????????????????????

Don't let him get to you, this must be some sort of ruse!

Or a mechanic...

Ooo this is interesting!

no dude I'm just pushing Pine's buttons
thats the message I got

[Alisae]

I need to go nap my head is swimming. Ali do you want me to talk about anyone in particular for when I wake up

do you have any insight as to why Ali is buddying me so hard?

I'm confirmed town
I do what I want

but for real tho
it only comes from respect for you and my experiences with you
and I have a lot of respect for you

[Alisae]

Fun fact: at the time of the beep, all but one of my minions has more posts in the scum PT than in the main thread.

Beeeeeeeep

did u just out that i am not scum :O

All but one

...spammy fucker

SURPRISE ITS ME

[Alisae]

I'm officially way behind
Hooray for video games!

bruh watchu playin

[Alisae]

I'm just gambling in gmod becuase I would rather do that then play the actual game which is TTT

[Alisae]

I'm just gambling in gmod becuase I would rather do that then play the actual game which is TTT

I lost all of my money
sads

[Alisae]

Pst
Hey
Want my opinion?

[Alisae]

Is it better than your last opinion?

Mena is town

[Alisae]

@jingle can we swap Ali for a better stump smh

Pine is town

[Alisae]

Pine is actually my secret lover mason

[Alisae]

I’m really not convinced of the arguement that scum!mena decides to bargain for fruit after it has been asked for.

[Alisae]

Pine didn’t even give Mena a response
You’d think that if Mena was scum, he would atleast get a response from Pine.

[Alisae]

Dragonite, I could interest you in a lynch when my countdown expires

[Alisae]

I'll get back to Menalque later

Alisae where is the townread coming from?

I think the timing when mena asks for fruit is townie

[Alisae]

Actually, I'm just going to drop it and assume that you're struggling to see outside of your own perspective

I'm assuming that Alisae has a better idea of how you play than I do

I don’t I just think Mena is probably town

—

I feel like your uncertainty and SR on me makes sense from your point of view. I hadn't fully explained myself and I can see how people could be confused about 1022. I think your behaviour indicates that you have a degree of uncertainty about your read which is normal from town D1 and your interactions with me seem to be from someone trying to get into my head and see where I'm coming from i.e. someone trying to actually sort me. You might end up wrong, but I still think the way you're going through the process is towny.

Ank, on the other hand, has just doubled down and isn't displaying any of the uncertainty I would expect from town, especially someone who apparently got to a SR on me based on my entire play of 3 posts at the time that happened. The degree of certainty from that point is strange to me. It's not necessarily scum, but given limited information at this point in the game it makes me happier with calling Ank scum for now because I don't think others are much scummier

also I actually forgot to do this VOTE: ank

still think chicka is bad but now I think ank's worse

I also think anka is townie so far as well

—

Actually a bit nervous about LLD. I kinda get she's doing LLD things and the xofcase gets the game firing in a way that I am never surprised to see LLD do but it's also kind of just.... noise.... like I am aware she doesn't expect anyone ever to take that case seriously and I'm not sure it's actually productive/does anything to solve the game

very much consistent with LLD scum m.o. but I think I can also see it come from LLD who saw something and wanted to kick up some noise about it to get a conversation going. but it was way too soon and not conducive to a valuable conversation so did she do it just to look like she's solving the game?

food for thought. I'm scared of LLD so I'll observe cautiously.

Actually just had another scroll through her ISO and fuckit
VOTE: jjh

not a good look duckling

[Alisae]

Also I missed this in your post but as honoured as I am being placed next to my lord Pine, why exactly am I there on your list chikadee?

Isn't that irrelevant the post before you get modkilled?

WHOOPS!

Here have 3 vids!

Imagine fucking up a post restriction

[Alisae]

Ank is scum, that's my vanity wagon.

LLD is scum, but not the sort I want to immediately lynch. Maybe I should have that stance for LLD, but I don't. LLD is a powerscummer and if we do actually have town LLD she can identify powerscumming and spotlight control takes-one-to-know-one style which can be a big deal in a large. Her own ability to manipulate the gamestate is going to mitigated to whatever extent she's distrusted, going the other way.
She's scum just because xofelf as the day1 post1 play is bad circumstantially. Like it might be genuine town LLD who happened upon this strong read and it's just unlucky, but it seems too aligned with scum!LLD's natural incentives going into the large.
Ari is scum. He's posted too much without giving me something resonant. That's admittedly pretty weak for 3rd place on page 46 of a 25p. I just like all you guys.

Yeah, I am going to go ahead and agree with this
VOTE: LLD
The one post that was geared towards me specifically is trying to manipulate my emotions
Not cool LLD >_<

[Alisae]

You fucking morons I've been playing differently this game because Alisae SPECIFICALLY ASKED for us to play a certain way not to make things shitty.

I'm so feuas;shdfa'f'sa'j

LIKE OF COURSE I SOUND FAKE, I'VE BEEN LITERALLY CONTROLLING MY POSTS SO NOT TO BREAK THE FUCKING REQUEST WE WERE ASKED.

WOULD YOU PREFER I TELL ALISAE WHO LITERALLY ONE GAME AGO WE PLAYED ALMOST BROKE DOWN BECAUSE I YELLED AT HER, TO GO FUCK HERSELF AND I'M LYNCHING XOF ANYWAY?

I'VE BEEN DOING NOTHING BUT WHAT I LITERALLY ALWAYS DO AS TOWN, HUNT AND PUSH, MUTED AND WATERED DOWN BECAUSE ALISAE ASKED FOR IT.

YOU'RE ALL PIECES OF SHIT FOR TAKING THAT AND USING IT AGAINST ME.

ALISAE DOES IT BY LITERALLY DOING WHAT SHE ASKS US NOT TO DO IN ABSENCE OF US DOING IT.

AND NOW Y'ALL ARE LIKE "OH LLD SOUNDS FAKE" LIKE BITCH MY HUSBAND DIDN'T SOUND LIKE HIMSELF EITHER BUT NO ONE EVER SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THAT.

IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT ME. YOU WANNA KNOW ABOUT ME, LET'S PLAY A GAME

WHICH OF YOU MORONS NEEDS A FUCKING HISTORY LESSON

I HAVE NEVER BEEN DRAFTED BY SCUM INTO A SCUM TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.

NO SCUM WILL EVER DRAFT ME IN A GAME LIKE THIS BECAUSE I ALWAYS DRAW EYES.

DEATHWORLDERS MAFIA: NOT DRAFTED
FIRST PINE GAME: NOT DRAFTED

LIKE

I LITERALLY GOT TAUNTED BY PINE FOR FUCKING BEING UNDRAFTABLE BECAUSE NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE ME FUCKING SERIOUSLY AND IGNORED IT BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE STUPID FOR EVEN DISCUSSING PINE, BUT APPARENTLY HE'S FUCKING PSYCHIC BECAUSE I'M LITERALLY SAT HERE WITH TWO SCUM UNDER MY BOOT, DOING ACTUAL LITERAL SCUMMY THINGS UNDER MY WATCH, AND Y'ALL LIKE.

"OH YEAH THAT SILLY GIRL SHE'S NOT YELLING MUST BE FAKE"

FUCK YOU ALL.

Okay, yes your husband could be scum, but can you try to not write a post specifically to me where you are trying to manipulate my emotions in some way?
Thats like, my biggest concern atm.

[Alisae]

Oh shit it's Krazy don't leave

VOTE: Krazy

this isn’t town btw.

[Alisae]

Alisae, my points on Xof are completely valid and fit well within the range of Pine's picks.

I want you to look me dead in the metaphorical internet eye and tell me this isn't just you being protective of a player who is coming back to the game after a time away from it.

Cause I expected this kind of resistance and I'm ready and willing to ram this down the throat of town because I feel pretty fucking confident, and these other wagons all feel very.... I don't like the way they are going, mostly due to how the votes on the pooled as opposed to having a strong feeling about the people themselves (Firebringer is super null, but I dislike the votes on that wagon immensily).

So, if you tell me this is for real and you actually town read Xof I will switch and find some other scumfuck to nail to the wall but know this

You gave us all a speech going into this game about how we should play and begging us not to bully you but you've literally been throwing your weight around at everybody. I know you're town but that don't make you fucking god. I'm willing to play ball but if I find out you've just been straight lying to ensure I push reads you approve instead of reads you don't I swear to god I will treat you like Pine this game, cause you'll be more anti-town than he is.

So let me ask this plainly

I have Xof!Scum dead to rights here, and you're calling her completely town. Is this a kneejerk reaction protecting a player you don't want to see die for personal reasons? Yes or No.

Lexi, I think you are trying to manipulate my emotions here.
Here you describe me as someone else who is shitting on other people’s reads and that I shouldn’t shit on yours and that I need to stop shitting on people’s reads.
Regardless of how true that is, my first reaction to this post was “wow, I feel really bad for that”

You are playing by my rules, and thank you for that.
As a child, my dad yelled at me, a lot.
I couldn’t really fight him back, so whenever he yelled at me, I just backed off.
This obviously fucks up my development
I flinch easily and I give in as soon as people yell at me to do what they want me to do.

Thank you for not yelling at me when you’re interacting with me, it means a lot to me.

Still, we’re trying to play a game, and I remember stated in that game you mentioned that I am a very easy person to manipulate emotionally and you knew this, and I feel like there is a lot of emotional manipulation here.

[Alisae]

Like how you talk about Xofelf
How you describe what I am currently doing
How much of a big deal you make of me townreading xofelf or it just being something personal (which btw, its a townread)
How if I’m lying how you’ll just treat me as if I was Pine

Regardless of the truth in it, it still fucks with me on an emotional level

[Alisae]

WHAT IF I YELL AT YOU THAT WE LOVE YOU ALIBOO

doesn’t reach

[Alisae]

As a child my parents beat me until I became what they wanted. As a child my father screamed at me that if i was goinf to cry he would give me a reason as a child my mother decided that if i wouldnt agree to her desires she would call me crazy. As a child my parents made me into a fucking monster what the fuck does that have to do with anything why the fuck am I grtting this from you qhen others are tryibg to convince you of shit too.

No kidding I was trying to talk to you. I wanted to fuckong know if your shit on Xof was a mason thing e
Without asking uou if she was a fuckong mason. I needed to know if she was town or just likable so i could pivot.

But i needed tk be cautious to avoid outing it

So i asked how I did and any answer except no ita more personal was taking me off that wagon because fuck risking that shit.

You say im manipulating you but holy shit like

Yes, I get that.
Mena was about to do the exact same thing without
A. Stating how confident he felt in the read
B. Adding a punishment.

[Alisae]

I have yet to see a doctor to consult about my own issues

[Alisae]

Firebringer that is an A+ post my guy

[Alisae]

Would that make that particular post an B+ post
You know
B for better then the rest?

[Alisae]

I suggest we take the next day or so and declare detente. There are a lot of people pretty tilted right now, and close to not being friends anymore.

Everyone get some self-care in, give the stragglers a chance to catch up. Hug a parent, spouse, child, or friend who loves you. If none are handy, I’ll send you a virtual hug. 24 hours from nowish I’ll announce the next fruit, and we can go from there.

I request a virtual hug!

[Alisae]

ok this actually creeps me out a bit
just a tiny bit

[Alisae]

But...my Bitmoji is like...spot on

THATS WHY ITS SO FREAKY

[Alisae]

Look I may be out to mercilessly crush Ali and eir team, but I’m not a monster

YOU MONSTER

[Alisae]

thats something only a monster would say

[Alisae]

that's something only a monster would say