Mini Normal 2098 - Game Over! (Mafia Won)

[Garmr]

I didn't want to counter claim but I guess I have to since your all dumb as bricks I'm town jail keeper.

[NorwegianboyEE]

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I don’t understand your thoughts and progression here at all.
-What is frustrating?
-What is it that makes town: "dumb as bricks"?
-Why did you roleclaim??
-What are you trying to achieve with your posts here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

-What is a "scum theatre"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did you want him to feel pressured into a claim before he was at L-1 and intent had been given?

Because i wanted Kraeg to roleclaim, the fact that he didn’t immediately was suspicious to me.

Why were you so willing to believe that claim? I mean it was almost immediate. You didn't give us any of your thoughts on whether the claim was genuine. Why were you so quick to believe it?

Because it makes sense. I could see his behaviour as befitting someone who’s gotten a power role but doesn’t really know how to deal with that responsibility. And if he’s honest then he will get nightkilled soon enough and that’s proof enough.

Explain how you got from 348 to 368 to 372. Because presumably you sorted Kraeg as town from your response to the role claim. So why did Mohab go from being suspect to now inno?

I’ve been very unsure about the slot. So my stance has been for quite a while: "want to believe she’s town, but i’m wary she might be scum so i’m trying to analyze her behaviour with much scrutiny"

In 380, I don't believe I've voted you once, so how was I trying to build a case off of your early actions?

It’s not like voting is required for me to try to analyze what people say.

Your nonchalance about being consistently misread when town is anti-town.

Boo hoo. I doubt i’ll make it to Lylo anyway, so i’m not sure why you keep bringing up this point like it’s an issue.

Also, my question about the quick pivot was more directed to why you didn't first analyze the claim. You aggressively pushed him to claim, then you just went on with a new focus. I don't know why you didn't even try to sort the claim first.

I wanted him to roleclaim for info, when he did i felt the need to unvote in case someone lolhammered, which i’ve seen happen. That’s because i wanted to see what the town’s reaction to the roleclaim was.

[profii]

sigh another game with legit bad town desicions this is demotivating

We will circle back to this one as well when the time is right

[profii]

I didn't want to counter claim but I guess I have to since your all dumb as bricks I'm town jail keeper.

Well this makes voting easier

[NorwegianboyEE]

So what Garmr is trying to say is that Kraeg must be scum because there's no way town PR's would include both a roleblocker and jailkeeper (Which Garmr claims he is)?

[profii]

Correct. 1 of them is likely to be scum aligned if both their roles are true

I think on the balance of play, kraeg took ages to decide to claim because he was probably waiting to confer in the scum thread

Garmr hinted at his claim at the top of the last page and was too impatient to let more town people think it through so whilst he called us all stupid it's more logically that he is the town one in this 1v1

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then let's vote him Profii.

VOTE: Kraeg

[Emperor flippyNips]

uhh sorry y’all I’ve been busy, haven’t had much time on my computer recently. trying to catch up on the last two pages but im pretty tired. if I stop posting then I passed out

[Luca Blight]

Just back from V/LA, gonna be catching up today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

uhh sorry y’all I’ve been busy, haven’t had much time on my computer recently. trying to catch up on the last two pages but im pretty tired. if I stop posting then I passed out

10:28 am

Just back from V/LA, gonna be catching up today.

10:30 am

Spoiler:

[Emperor flippyNips]

EFN,
ok so EFN is crusing for the early parts of this game which is a worry
He also says he struggles to read Skellen when he usually can which is really at odds with what I just said so that is a problem for me.
He also puts Kraeg at L-1 with no real prior exception to the slot, this is a red flag
I really dont like the post where EFN says he just wants a kill 304

ok so that's a slot for vote consideration...


VOTE: EFN

putting Kraeg at L-1 is fasho misrep. I never voted him, I said I had intent. pretty sure I’ve voted one time, not including RVS
i'm pretty sure I was saying how I don’t have a read on Skellen shows how disassociated I am from the game
& yeah Skellen may be oozing town to you doesn’t mean I have to feel the same that you do, Im not trying to set anything up I have simply been trying to say that I feel distant from the game & me not having a read on Skellen shows it. its could also be its been awhile since I played with her so im not quick to get a read cos she’s evolved but idk. which it is. it could be all the above

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Emperor
A lot of scum use the "Oh i'm feeling disassociated from the game/not solving like i used to/i just don't care as much TBH" as an excuse for why they aren't as eager to help solve the game. Just sayin.

[profii]

EFN,
ok so EFN is crusing for the early parts of this game which is a worry
He also says he struggles to read Skellen when he usually can which is really at odds with what I just said so that is a problem for me.
He also puts Kraeg at L-1 with no real prior exception to the slot, this is a red flag
I really dont like the post where EFN says he just wants a kill 304

ok so that's a slot for vote consideration...


VOTE: EFN

putting Kraeg at L-1 is fasho misrep. I never voted him, I said I had intent. pretty sure I’ve voted one time, not including RVS
i'm pretty sure I was saying how I don’t have a read on Skellen shows how disassociated I am from the game
& yeah Skellen may be oozing town to you doesn’t mean I have to feel the same that you do, Im not trying to set anything up I have simply been trying to say that I feel distant from the game & me not having a read on Skellen shows it. its could also be its been awhile since I played with her so im not quick to get a read cos she’s evolved but idk. which it is. it could be all the above

i got confused by the post you did a vote tag but just said intent - my bad, just a mistake not a misrep (at least no intentionally - sorry !)

shame you are disassociated from the game - i hope you get involved. It would be good to have some more things to consider

[profii]

Then let's vote him Profii.

VOTE: Kraeg

will do just want to check something - no one hammer before I said I have completed my check please! this is important!!!

[Billy Pilgrim]

Sucks that our pr just outted themself, but I do like what it does for us. I can't see a town roleblocker and a jailkeeper in the same town setup, but maybe I'm wrong. If someone has a reason to tell me I'm wrong please do so. Given that situation, I think we have to Lynch between Garmr and Kraeg.

I think it doesn't make sense to Lynch outside of those two since there's basically a CC. I think whichever claimed pr doesn't get lynched should tell us in advance who they are going to target. If the claimed pr gets NKd it gives us a confirmed inno, because the rules for a mini normal is only 2 scum members.

I think we should drop down to L-2 here so we can actually talk out end of day.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok I counted Garmr, Mohab, and Norwegian on Kraeg. That's L-2. No one else should vote yet until we have some discussion on the claim and CC. And I want Kraeg to weigh in on Garmr as well.

[Skellen]

Welp, I wanted to delve deeper on Mohab's post regarding his Garmr read and profii's points about Garmr with the assumption of town!Kraeg. Guess that's unnecessary with Garmr's claim. I am still interested in Mohab's response to #389 as that post mirrors more or less what I wanted to ask.

Regarding the claim situation I am inclined to believe that Garmr is town and Kraeg is just scum. Kraeg's play since his claim hasn't really changed in any helpful way that would change my mind about him outside of the claim situation. And Garmr was my strongest townread anyway. There wouldn't have been the necessity for scum!Garmr to counterclaim anyway, because Kraeg was still not looking good despite his claim, so that a lynch on Kraeg could have happened anyway.

Two blocker roles in a 9p setup doesn't feel right too. Finally I also think a Town Roleblocker looks too swingy in a 9p setup. First I thought it was a weak role because while it can target scum it can also easily hurt town as it has not the protective effect of a Jailkeeper role. Also without any further setup knowledge a Roleblocker that successfully targets scum basically is protective and investigative in one as he would stop the nightkill and would basically save a townie and be a hard guilty with no kill happening. Looks to strong imo, a Jailkeeper has still the wifom if he jailed the killer or the victim.

[profii]

I think it doesn't make sense to Lynch outside of those two since there's basically a CC. I think whichever claimed pr doesn't get lynched should tell us in advance who they are going to target. If the claimed pr gets NKd it gives us a confirmed inno, because the rules for a mini normal is only 2 scum members.

If we agreed to that, I'd no kill if i was scum. I vote we roll the dice and hope Garmr comes through the night.

[Skellen]

Ok I counted Garmr, Mohab, and Norwegian on Kraeg. That's L-2. No one else should vote yet until we have some discussion on the claim and CC. And I want Kraeg to weigh in on Garmr as well.

No one should vote Kraeg up to L-1, because there is always someone who can't keep it in his pants and quickhammer and we shouldn't end the day before we got more from flippy and Luca. Also consider that scum!Kraeg can always self-hammer and end the day once he is up to L-1. Considering his play since the claim and the general perception of Garmr's counterclaim he is probably aware that he is done for.

[Skellen]

Actually, it is related. I got confused, sorry. But it's not really about his point being correct.

If it's not Garmr's point what made you move back to Kraeg then? Your unvote seemed rather "dutiful" than doing it because you believed him. What was your thought process on unvoting and returning your vote then?

[Skellen]

Question does Kreag and mohab seem like cheap scum theatre?

So you assume scum was never trying to save Kraeg with a last effort after his claim and the votes are just a last distancing attempt? I can get that thought by Kraeg's reaction to Mohab changing from your wagon to Kraeg in #270, but why do you think they both decide to push you just for Mohab changing immediately back to Kraeg?

[Skellen]

If I go by the assumption of town!Garmr and scum!Kraeg it makes in retrospect the Garmr wagon that was a thing for a short while more interesting. Or better: I wonder how genuine that push ever was considering Kraeg pushed it to L-2 and there was always the chance of the Luca vote (who still had Garmr as potential scumread). Otherwise there were Billy and Mohab on the wagon. Unlike Garmr I don't know about Mohab, the immediate switch from Garmr to Kraeg after Kraeg's vote doesn't look consequent if scum would have decided to push Garmr. Which would lead me rather back to Billy, who was caught red-handed by Garmr with sheeping Luca's reasons if I recall correctly. Although that would look pretty clumsy. So another Billy reread it is.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I think it doesn't make sense to Lynch outside of those two since there's basically a CC. I think whichever claimed pr doesn't get lynched should tell us in advance who they are going to target. If the claimed pr gets NKd it gives us a confirmed inno, because the rules for a mini normal is only 2 scum members.

If we agreed to that, I'd no kill if i was scum. I vote we roll the dice and hope Garmr comes through the night.

That's why I didn't say there's be a confirmed guilty on whoever he targeted. But if he does, we'd have a confirmed inno. I don't think my logic was that complicated so I don't know why you wouldn't want a confirmed inno out of a dead jk. And btw this also only works if kraeg flips scum, because otherwise they could push the kill to the other member.