Mini Normal 2098 - Game Over! (Mafia Won)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Strong townlean:
profii
Garmr

Light townlean:
Luca Blight
Skellen

Unsure:
Mohab500
Emperor FlippyNips

Scumlean:
Kraeg
Billy Pilgrim

[Billy Pilgrim]

Strong townlean:
profii
Garmr

Light townlean:
Luca Blight
Skellen

Unsure:
Mohab500
Emperor FlippyNips

Scumlean:
Kraeg
Billy Pilgrim

Is this based on anything other than the way I've interacted with your slot? Because your case was exclusively based on that and you had me as unsure almost immediately before you wrote that case up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is this based on anything other than the way I've interacted with your slot?

Post 423.

[profii]

I think it doesn't make sense to Lynch outside of those two since there's basically a CC. I think whichever claimed pr doesn't get lynched should tell us in advance who they are going to target. If the claimed pr gets NKd it gives us a confirmed inno, because the rules for a mini normal is only 2 scum members.

If we agreed to that, I'd no kill if i was scum. I vote we roll the dice and hope Garmr comes through the night.

That's why I didn't say there's be a confirmed guilty on whoever he targeted. But if he does, we'd have a confirmed inno. I don't think my logic was that complicated so I don't know why you wouldn't want a confirmed inno out of a dead jk. And btw this also only works if kraeg flips scum, because otherwise they could push the kill to the other member.

JK stops the scum kill action right?

So if Garmr targets scum!XXX and XXX decides to no kill, who is conf inno?

I'm missing something?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I think it doesn't make sense to Lynch outside of those two since there's basically a CC. I think whichever claimed pr doesn't get lynched should tell us in advance who they are going to target. If the claimed pr gets NKd it gives us a confirmed inno, because the rules for a mini normal is only 2 scum members.

If we agreed to that, I'd no kill if i was scum. I vote we roll the dice and hope Garmr comes through the night.

That's why I didn't say there's be a confirmed guilty on whoever he targeted. But if he does, we'd have a confirmed inno. I don't think my logic was that complicated so I don't know why you wouldn't want a confirmed inno out of a dead jk. And btw this also only works if kraeg flips scum, because otherwise they could push the kill to the other member.

JK stops the scum kill action right?

So if Garmr targets scum!XXX and XXX decides to no kill, who is conf inno?

I'm missing something?

Remember that my play only makes sense if Kraeg flips scum. If he flips town, then we powerlynch Garmr tomorrow for the CC. However, if Kraeg flips scum then there is 1 scum and 7 town left including presumed pr Garmr. Garmr should tell us who he is protecting tonight before night. If Garmr dies, which I would expect if Kraeg flips scum, then whoever he targeted would be confirmed inno. That math checks because there would only be 1 scum left so whoever did the kill couldn't have been jailkept. I'd recommend choosing someone that's been a leader so we don't have to worry about a deepwolf. Id recommend Profii here. So that if Garmr dies we know for sure that Profii is town. That eliminates a mis-lynch option for us going into day 2.
If Garmr doesn't tell us who he's targeting then the scum team could kill him and his pr is worthless to us.

You are 100% correct in the event of a no kill. In that case we don't get any additional information. So if scum decides not to kill tonight despite losing one of their team members we go into tomorrow at 7v1 and we haven't lost our jk. I feel like him not saying his target doesn't help us at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That math checks because there would only be 1 scum left so whoever did the kill couldn't have been jailkept. I'd recommend choosing someone that's been a leader so we don't have to worry about a deepwolf. Id recommend Profii here. So that if Garmr dies we know for sure that Profii is town. That eliminates a mis-lynch option for us going into day 2.

Terrible idea. I think Gramr should use it on someone suspicious rather than the "town leader". For example Mohab500, Emperor FlippyNips or you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gramr, don't announce who you're blocking. Just choose someone you think is scum. This means that if there's 1 scum remaining he would have to gamble whether he should nightkill or not.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Gramr, don't announce who you're blocking. Just choose someone you think is scum. This means that if there's 1 scum remaining he would have to gamble whether he should nightkill or not.

And if scum does nightkill, which is the normal option so they have less mis-lynches they need to assist with or Dodge, they the rest of the town would get no information out of it. Are just saying this because you're still upset about my earlier posts toward you? Because if you're town you're gonna have to get over it. I mean your comment and it's aggressiveness is bizarre. And given what profii explained the jail keep is more valuable if he confirms an innocent rather than potentially landing on scum. I can't think of why he wouldnt be the target. So if he doesn't say anything and dies we get no info. If he says something and dies we get info. And if he puts it on someone who is suspicious, then we run into the WIFOM problem and don't know whether he stopped the NK because he hit scum, or whether scum followed Profii's play and just didn't try the kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah, i see your point. The revealed PR's only use at this point is to confirm whether anyone might be innocent. You're right in this instance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You'll need to announce who you're jailkeeping Gramr.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I think that Profii is the best target because he most clearly fits the town leader profile. If you want to jk me then fine. I think there's better targets, but if you think you need to confirm me as inno to read me then fine, but I think Profii has been strong with logic and cases. I'd rather have the leader confirmed then have a suspicious player confirmed.

Norwegian, let's assume Garmr jailkeeps me, he announced it and then he dies. In that case, I get confirmed as inno, how does that help town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian, let's assume Garmr jailkeeps me, he announced it and then he dies. In that case, I get confirmed as inno, how does that help town?

It means we can exclude you from the lynch pool.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 1.11

Mohab500 (2) - Billy Pilgrim, Kraeg
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (1) - profii
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (0) -
Kraeg (3) - Garmr, Mohab500, NorwegianboyEE
Billy Pilgrim (0) -

Not Voting: Luca Blight, Emperor FlippyNips, Skellen

ACTIVITY NOTES:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

[Garmr]

You'll need to announce who you're jailkeeping Gramr.

I thought mohab was the best target.

[Garmr]

Will jail Mohan.

[Luca Blight]

Flippy’s reasoning against me feels weird to say the least. Feels like he is trying to look as though he’s taking a stance but is really just fence-sitting.

I hear this fence sitting shit so often its kind of annoying. like why can’t I just plant my thoughts in your brain through text form? how else are y’all going to know them. & my vote on you was me sheeping in what was stilll RVS to me

also what am I doing that is “fence sitting”?

also what even is fence sitting?

You hear about '

this fence-sitting shit'

so often, yet you don't even know what fence-sitting is? right...

It's something that scum often do; avoid taking a real stance so they can't be being blamed for anything, while also keeping their voting options open.

[Luca Blight]

Hold on.

Give me time to think if I will roleclaim. Whatever happens, the wagon on me gives everyone a clue. At least one of the players in the wagon will definitely flip scum. I think I'm becoming an easy lynch for the scum. I was thinking that some people are just putting pressure on me. I didn't expect people would be serious.

This reads more like '

give me time to discuss my fake-claim with my partner

'.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE COUNT 1.7

L-1

Kraeg (4) - NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500, Skellen, profii
Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

intent

VOTE: give me something good Kraeg.

This seems a bit sus; Flippy had been coasting along while sticking on my wagon and shading me ever so slightly, but then when Profii puts Kraeg to L-1 Flippy immediately declared intent? I don't believe Flippy was even fully caught up at this point. It's like he doesn't want to miss out on a bit of towncred.

[Luca Blight]

Strong townlean:

profii
Garmr
Norwegianboy

Light townlean:

Skellen
Billy Pilgrim

Scumlean:

Kraeg
Flippy
Mohab

[Luca Blight]

Billy seems to be a person of interest, however, so I will get round to ISO'ing him before the day's end.

[profii]

VOTE: kraeg

You probably dont want to JK me but feel free if that makes you feel better

[Kraeg]

Why doesn't anyone think that a RB and Jailkeeper can be in the setup at the same time?

It's also a bad idea for Garmr to claim. He could have just used his power to protect me instead or we could have organized to target two different players hoping we hit a scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol, not happening bud.

[Billy Pilgrim]

VOTE: kraeg

You probably dont want to JK me but feel free if that makes you feel better

Why's this vote here? I thought we were gonna wait. We had Luca catch up but there's more people that need to weigh in. You're letting Kraeg self hammer before EOD now.

[profii]

UNVOTE:

didnt think of the self hammer