Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Formerfish]

You made my case better by then telling her to protect her masons at all costs.

Thanks for that.

[Alisae]

my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else

This is interesting and kinda changes things wrt LLD. But apparently not according to a few posts later.

Ali, do you think LLDscum comes out like that in a bus on xofscum?

Yeah look at xof’s stance on LLD in thread.
That stance really sticks out like a sore thumb.

[Formerfish]

BOOYAA! PAGETOP!

[Alisae]

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

[chennisden]

LLD pls calm down, Ali is not trying to make the game miserable for you. E wants you to enjoy yourself here.

[Formerfish]

Yeah look at xof’s stance on LLD in thread.
That stance really sticks out like a sore thumb.

The tr on LLD was odd.

I had figured xof was a mason the way you hard defended like you did.

[Formerfish]

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

If you think this is xof defending lld then we should lynch xof first imo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What the fuck are you saying Fish.

I was protecting Masons both times. I only talked about thw Xof thing once I was pushed on it. My motices are clear both times.

And also i keep sayibg I wouldn't be pixked because I wasnt. You are corrext if I was picked I would also say this but the logic is sound and yohr logic that "she is trying not to be lynched must be scun" is really stupid. Town are self preservationists as well so

Im saying that you came out the gate swinging at xof and Ali hard defended her multiple times and you kept going at it, and then said you were trying to figure out if xof was a mason without asking which was really obvious, and then you tell her to protect her masons at all cost.

This is not a hard train of thought to follow and im getting tired of the fact that you dont seem able to have an emotionless conversation and are relying very heavily on ate and then claiming that people are stopping you from doing stuff.

Post how you wanna post if its an issue. Push who you wanna push if its an issue. Stop making excuses and being toxic in the thread.

I am telling you my train of thought was the same both times.

And guess what, life and mafia are a game that involves emotions. Do what you want but don't tell me I am being toxic for... Lets see calling your logic stupid? Is that about it?

Fun fact. People got warned earlier this game. Explicitly I was told by the mod I wasn't included in one of them cause I didnt say shit and have continued to not do that. I have spoken my mind and heart and if you wanna play robot mafia thats chill but its not how I play so

[Alisae]

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

If you think this is xof defending lld then we should lynch xof first imo

no because that commuter claim isn't town
if you want to give town!LLD something with protection, you give her what mastina claimed, a BP vig.
full commuter isn't useful for town!LLD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD pls calm down, Ali is not trying to make the game miserable for you. E wants you to enjoy yourself here.

Yeah forgive me if I don't have any faith in that.

Also I'm p. Calm as far as things go, so. I'd appreciate not being told to calm down thanks

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

If you think this is xof defending lld then we should lynch xof first imo

no because that commuter claim isn't town
if you want to give town!LLD something with protection, you give her what mastina claimed, a BP vig.
full commuter isn't useful for town!LLD.

Yes it fucking is. Its literally kill immunity. What makes you think Jingle chooses what roles are given exactly? They choose the people but not what roles right?

Like ffs Ali the fact is I am town and my role is commuter. It is simple as that.

[Ankamius]

I feel like your uncertainty and SR on me makes sense from your point of view. I hadn't fully explained myself and I can see how people could be confused about 1022. I think your behaviour indicates that you have a degree of uncertainty about your read which is normal from town D1 and your interactions with me seem to be from someone trying to get into my head and see where I'm coming from i.e. someone trying to actually sort me. You might end up wrong, but I still think the way you're going through the process is towny.

Ank, on the other hand, has just doubled down and isn't displaying any of the uncertainty I would expect from town, especially someone who apparently got to a SR on me based on my entire play of 3 posts at the time that happened. The degree of certainty from that point is strange to me. It's not necessarily scum, but given limited information at this point in the game it makes me happier with calling Ank scum for now because I don't think others are much scummier

also I actually forgot to do this VOTE: ank

still think chicka is bad but now I think ank's worse

dude
I think ur onto something

.........what?

[Ankamius]

wtf Alisae are you drinking the koolaid too?

[Alisae]

Like Commuter just seems wrong
in the last game, I gave LLD the redirector and considered to give her the Arsonist role because she has the game sense to make really good use of those roles and town!LLD doesn't eat bullets because she's LLD
Giving Lexi a commuter just makes her look more bad so it really doesn't make sense to me

pedit:

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

If you think this is xof defending lld then we should lynch xof first imo

no because that commuter claim isn't town
if you want to give town!LLD something with protection, you give her what mastina claimed, a BP vig.
full commuter isn't useful for town!LLD.

Yes it fucking is. Its literally kill immunity. What makes you think Jingle chooses what roles are given exactly? They choose the people but not what roles right?

Like ffs Ali the fact is I am town and my role is commuter. It is simple as that.

the game is confirmed to be nonrandom roles jingle said so

[Formerfish]

I am telling you my train of thought was the same both times.

And guess what, life and mafia are a game that involves emotions. Do what you want but don't tell me I am being toxic for... Lets see calling your logic stupid? Is that about it?

Fun fact. People got warned earlier this game. Explicitly I was told by the mod I wasn't included in one of them cause I didnt say shit and have continued to not do that. I have spoken my mind and heart and if you wanna play robot mafia thats chill but its not how I play so

Your train of thought was that the first thing you needed to do was mason hunt xof?

And i dont give a shit what you say to me because i dont have any connection to you, so its not being toxic to me, its the way you have acted almost the entire time you have been posting like you are some kind of victim here when you are the creator of your own situation, this is the bed you made and are now pissy about lying in it.

I dont want you to be a robot, and thats a nice mis rep, what I want from you is the ability to talk about this like a game, which it fucking is. I know we get heated and say some shit, ive been guilty of this myself many times. You however are stuck in 6th gear and are running down the highway towards a thelma and louise sytle ending.

You can take your foot of the gas and we can talk, or you can kick brad pitt out of the car and floor that fucker.

Your choice.

[Alisae]

This game features non random Role Distribution. I chose who would be town power roles (With the exception of the masonry), ostensibly to give town the best chance possible. (I was more concerned about fun. Deal with it.) Scum had their power roles assigned by Pine. The scum team was decided via a draft with Pine.

[Alisae]

Full Commuter sounds amazing for scum!Lexi tho

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Chickadee

Ali, Ali, talk to me.

What's up?

VOTE: DGB
VOTE: xofelf
VOTE: Pink Ball

Also am I to believe you think both xof AND LLD can be scum this game? That's wild.

I don't think either of them are scum, so I'd love if you could help me here. Everything from xof seems rational, and everything from LLD seems genuine. But there is certainly no way they're scum together.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am telling you my train of thought was the same both times.

And guess what, life and mafia are a game that involves emotions. Do what you want but don't tell me I am being toxic for... Lets see calling your logic stupid? Is that about it?

Fun fact. People got warned earlier this game. Explicitly I was told by the mod I wasn't included in one of them cause I didnt say shit and have continued to not do that. I have spoken my mind and heart and if you wanna play robot mafia thats chill but its not how I play so

Your train of thought was that the first thing you needed to do was mason hunt xof?

And i dont give a shit what you say to me because i dont have any connection to you, so its not being toxic to me, its the way you have acted almost the entire time you have been posting like you are some kind of victim here when you are the creator of your own situation, this is the bed you made and are now pissy about lying in it.

I dont want you to be a robot, and thats a nice mis rep, what I want from you is the ability to talk about this like a game, which it fucking is. I know we get heated and say some shit, ive been guilty of this myself many times. You however are stuck in 6th gear and are running down the highway towards a thelma and louise sytle ending.

You can take your foot of the gas and we can talk, or you can kick brad pitt out of the car and floor that fucker.

Your choice.

The fuck is your major malfunction.

Are you trying to intentionally misinterpret me?

In both cases my mindset was to protect masons from being found while still hunting for scum.

In order to do this, when Ali says someone is town with no real reason I need to question it but do so carefully.

So I asked what I did to protect masons from being accidentally lynched while persuing my reads. Then Ali responded and I backed off

600 posts later when asked by Ali about my manipulation of a form in that post I explained my motivations because i was no lomger in a position to hide them. I needed to be upfront.

Then I warned Ali about her post because it qas risky.

If I was really mason hunting I would just do it in my scum qt dude.

Finally threatenibg me will never disuade me. I don't care if you are threatening to lynch me you were already doing that. Either you will or you wont.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Full Commuter sounds amazing for scum!Lexi tho

So why does scum!Lexi claim it?

Or do you think scum!Lexi is a moron

[Formerfish]

Alright, im done trying to talk to you. You keep doing you, i wish you well in future games and life in general.

VOTE: LLD

[mastina]

Small confession: I've been skimming about 80% of the pages offline: I haven't read every page, there's many pages that I missed, and the pages that I did read I didn't really put more than the bare minimum into.

I haven't been commenting tho because I've wanted to read in detail all the pages and give commentary on key issues, but the thread creating new content faster than I could respond to it makes the task daunting, so the intimidation factor has kept me from weighing in.

There's only about half a dozen (maybe like eight total) posts which I want to respond to, but I can't remember where they are off the top of my head and would need to read to find them.

In the mean time, tho:
LLD, regardless of her alignment, is a distraction.
Town, scum, doesn't matter. Pine wants us to be focusing attention on her.
Personally: while I recognize that there are reasons for both LLD and GreyIce to be scum, I think that at most one of them would be, and that it's quite probable that both are town in spite of my reasons to find them suspect.

Ditto for LLD/xofelf. I recognize the validity of LLD's case, but while I see the logic, I'm not convinced that it's actually right.

I am quite dead serious about my jjh/Aristophanes scumreads; I am sure AT LEAST one of them is scum, quite possibly both.

There's other players who I should give feedback on, but I wanted to do so on a full readslist wallpost where I explain where I am coming from on all of them.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Lady Lambda Delta

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright, im done trying to talk to you. You keep doing you, i wish you well in future games and life in general.

VOTE: LLD

You keep being a condescending ray of sunshine too yeah?

Ride that high horse right into the sunset.

I answered your question with my full thoughts, for the third time, so I dont know what else you want.

Clearly you want me to be someone I am not, or perhaps you just like to tone police people?

That seems to fit tbh. Tone policing language and how people talk fits the condescending shit.

[Chickadee]

Small confession: I've been skimming about 80% of the pages offline: I haven't read every page, there's many pages that I missed, and the pages that I did read I didn't really put more than the bare minimum into.

I haven't been commenting tho because I've wanted to read in detail all the pages and give commentary on key issues, but the thread creating new content faster than I could respond to it makes the task daunting, so the intimidation factor has kept me from weighing in.

There's only about half a dozen (maybe like eight total) posts which I want to respond to, but I can't remember where they are off the top of my head and would need to read to find them.

In the mean time, tho:
LLD, regardless of her alignment, is a distraction.
Town, scum, doesn't matter. Pine wants us to be focusing attention on her.
Personally: while I recognize that there are reasons for both LLD and GreyIce to be scum, I think that at most one of them would be, and that it's quite probable that both are town in spite of my reasons to find them suspect.

Ditto for LLD/xofelf. I recognize the validity of LLD's case, but while I see the logic, I'm not convinced that it's actually right.

I am quite dead serious about my jjh/Aristophanes scumreads; I am sure AT LEAST one of them is scum, quite possibly both.

There's other players who I should give feedback on, but I wanted to do so on a full readslist wallpost where I explain where I am coming from on all of them.

I feel so very dirty for being in the same mindset as Mastina.

This never happens.