Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Vecna]

The more people keep talking like this, the more im starting to believe in a Bingle + FL scumteam.

Which is....quite the accomplishment really.

Id have totally bought and voted for a JJD scumwagon, but this shit just feels wrong on so many levels.

If Bingle and i were scum, there were much easier routes we could have taken to win the game.

Please, enlighten me

[Bingle]

I’m actually a confirmed Vigilante now, so it’s funny I’m getting voted

Or potentially scum with Marquis and some unknown shenanigans happening.

Marquis is the only method by which Fish Monger died that has claimed.

Potential alternatives: JJD is CPR doc who hit a buddy on N1. Actual vig who shot Fish is not cc-ing because they hate us and actively want to lose the game. The n1 kill was actually on a fakeclaiming PGO.

I want to lynch JJD, which will solve that potential issue. If JJD flips CPR doc, he was probably lying about targeting ofhrz and Marquis looks a hell of a lot worse.

If the N1 kill had been on a PGO, I don't see how marquis could have known that when he claimed, given that FL was a claimed vig at the time and could well have acted. That's a ballsy move that I'm not even considering. It could mean FL and Marquis are scum together, except that I've spent the last two nights talking Marquis down from murderlating FL. So for Marquis to be scum, both me and FL have to be scum (which is dumb) OR JJD has to be scum (he is, but that's not directly indicative of Marquis scum) in which case the first correct choice is to LYNCH JJD.

teal deer: I don't show the work when it's basic addition.

Bad Vecna. I already had to shout down stupid scumreads on 'quis today.

So mechanically youre totally fine with a town with these cops also having 3 town vigs?

HUH.

Colour me intrigued in this narrative.

FL and Pelican (and possibly chenn) would be town 1 shot vigs in this scenario, while Marquis is a 2 shot. In a target pool of 9/13 town. Looks like a bloody as fuck N1, but given scum doc that's not particularly egregious. It also perfectly explains why JJD acted N1. If there's a vig claim that's not on your scum team, and a vig claim that's been lynched, and another potential vig claim in your hood, you damn well target the scummiest member of your team with a protective on N1. Actually, I think I've talked my way into CPR kill on Fish.

Maybe it is Marquis/JJD and I've been wrong about Marquis this whole time.

[Bingle]

If Bingle and i were scum, there were much easier routes we could have taken to win the game.

Don't kid yourself, we would totally have done ridiculous theater in the game thread to fuck with everyone. It'd be too fun to resist.

Alas, not today. But someday we'll literally make a head explode when we rand scum together. Maybe we can get AP in on the fun and just have the most refuge in audacity game ever.

[Bingle]

I could see, in a far-away fantasy land how the claimed parity cop was instead a reflexive suicide bomber or w/e that is called in proper naming convention, and played the way he did to attract the N1 kill and drag a scum with him.

Suicidal PGO, Bomb, or non veteran PGO, depending on what you actually mean there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought cpr doc was pretty obv tbh.

I’ve been there for a while.

There’s really no other quips about it.

And with Chennis only being possible scum with one of PP/Croag, this nearly guarantees JJD scum.

Likely with Marquis.

Also, even if PP/Croag have a scum in them, Chennis still doesn’t have to be scum, and I think I’m willing to bet the game on Chennis being town.

[Flavor Leaf]

This almost guarantees that Chennis is the night kill tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Jjd/PP
JJD/Croag
Jjd/Marquis
Jjd/Vecna
Vecna/pp
Vecna/Croag
Marquis/pp
Marquis/Croag

One of these is the scum pairing. If Bingle’s scum, he did the absolute most when he didn’t have to, and fmpov, I’m unable to solve that

[Flavor Leaf]

Jjd/PP
JJD/Croag
Jjd/Marquis
Jjd/Vecna
Vecna/pp
Vecna/Croag
Marquis/pp
Marquis/Croag

One of these is the scum pairing. If Bingle’s scum, he did the absolute most when he didn’t have to, and fmpov, I’m unable to solve that

From this list, i honestly don’t think Croag is scum.

Jjd/PP
Jjd/Marquis
Jjd/Vecna
Vecna/pp
Marquis/pp

Leaving this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Which means technically JJD and PP should be in a 1v1, although they don’t have to agree with said list, but generally, my lists hold a lot of merits, even if I look into the wrong parts of said list, like when i mislynched you earlier in the year, PP. The list was 100% correct, but i went at one of the wrong spots.

[Flavor Leaf]

I say we lynch JJD, and have Marquis shoot PP.

If PP dies, then Marquis’ probably town.

If he doesn’t, Marquis’ scum.

I don’t believe he is a 2 shot vig.

I think it’s just JJD/Penguin.

Also, if PP is the only one to die, that means scumMarquis would have been forced to shoot a caffeinated.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Yeah JJD, stop the fucking selfvoting and play properly if youre town.

UNVOTE:

1- I am tired of Bingle's tunnel. PP said it best: He's either scum or an idiot. Some people are falling for his narrative, so it's best to remove me from the equation before it's truly LyLo (I know I am caffeinated too, so better than lynching an uncaffeinated townie still)

2- I have SRs and I have TRs. The problem is there is always this nagging feeling that I am wrong somewhere. <y role doesn't help (as opposed to -say- if I had rolled an investigative).

3- I have even used up my shot so I am effectively a VT since N1. Scum certainly have no incentive to shoot me now and are keeping me alive as a distraction/insurance policy.

Last night we agreed it was most like FL/Marquis, but I told chenn & D1L they won't be able to lycnh either with Bingle around. I also expected to be shot IF MARQUIS WAS TRULY A TOWN VIG. Suddenly he is only 2-shots and FL didn't actually join your PT.

My problem now about a FL/Marquis team (my own theory, btw) is I don't understand the kills. Why did they shoot Monger? How come Scum have 2 kills?

The backup team is Bingle/FL and I told my guys we should just concede if that's the case.

All in all, I am totally lost and I am being pushed.suspected by most everybody now. Even PP said something about me being possible Scum. and I believe I am the only one left for the Cops to investigate. Now if I get lynched they have to investigate each other. If there's scum between the two and they (the scum) are the Sane Cop we already lost too.

I will join you on FL because I want to lynch between him and Marquis, but I honestly do not expect either lynch to go through for as long as Bingle is alive.

VOTE: FL

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

It also perfectly explains why JJD acted N1.

It totally does NOT explain why I claimed it though.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 4.2

Flavor Leaf [2] - Vecna, Judge Joseph Dredd
Judge Joseph Dredd [2] - Bingle, Flavor Leaf
Bingle [1] - chennisden

Not Voting [3]

- PenguinPower, Croag, Marquis

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-09-23 16:00:00)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Actually, I think I've talked my way into CPR kill on Fish.

And I will repeat that I am actually the Paranoid Doctor. It's confirmed to me/chenn now. And I bet you are setting chenn up for the lynch after my flip based on the same sick narrative, except it doesn't even compute because we knew we only had 4 caffinated players at the start of D2.

Even more

odd of you

to consider a CPR Doc kill on Fish, yet still maintain Marquis is "very likely Town". If Fish died to CPR protection then Marquis did NOT shoot him for starters. So how on the planet is he town to you based on THAT?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Maybe it is Marquis/JJD and I've been wrong about Marquis this whole time.

Then you lynch Marquis FIRST and then we see, because -according to how the game went- chenn is the CPR Doctor and he DID NOT ACT ON N1.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

this nearly guarantees JJD scum.

Likely with Marquis.

Then put your bloody vote where your mouth is at and lynch MARQUIS. For one thing, Marquis is UNTARGETABLE, so he can't be copped. For another he is still UNTAGETABLE so can't be CPR killed either. I can both be investigated AND CPR protected (and scum shooting me that night to implicate me is fine because they are sacrificing a kill)

[Flavor Leaf]

Vecna, Marquis, Bingle, have you guys all full claimed?

Can we have one post that states exactly all three of your roles?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD and PP should be in a 1v1,

Yeah, if that's the case I'd vote myself 10 times out of 10. However, YOUm Sir are scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, its likely you with Marquis at this point.

Scum have to go after me here. Like they just have to.

[Flavor Leaf]

JJD and PP should be in a 1v1,

Yeah, if that's the case I'd vote myself 10 times out of 10. However, YOUm Sir are scum here.

And that’s why this is indirectly a scum slip.

Town never does that in this scenario because it’s game over.

I don’t think its even being considered lynching outside of you today, tbh, just trying to get all the pieces.

[Flavor Leaf]

this nearly guarantees JJD scum.

Likely with Marquis.

Then put your bloody vote where your mouth is at and lynch MARQUIS. For one thing, Marquis is UNTARGETABLE, so he can't be copped. For another he is still UNTAGETABLE so can't be CPR killed either. I can both be investigated AND CPR protected (and scum shooting me that night to implicate me is fine because they are sacrificing a kill)

This is all common knowledge and irrelevant to the issue at hand, like a cow’s opinion. There’s no more investigations.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Get 2 votes on Marquis and I'll be the 3rd. chenn is already on board in principle if hadn't changed his views after the PT got locked.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Town never does that in this scenario because it’s game over.

No it's not. I dunno about game over, but it's certainly the correct town play here to sacrifice an effectively caffeinated VT slot for a Cop who can still act tonight (so will have to be shot still if Town). Unless if course he Naive and Craog is the scum Sane Doctor (which can't be the case because of chandra's flip)

So, I am willing to eat rope over EITHER Cops here. 100%

[PenguinPower]

From this list, i honestly don’t think Croag is scum.

Why not?

[Bingle]

Vecna, Marquis, Bingle, have you guys all full claimed?

Can we have one post that states exactly all three of your roles?

Bingle: Miller Quadvoter who loses a vote every day until he only has one.

Vecna:

Starts Caffeinated

Triplevoter who loses a vote every day until he only has one.

Marquis: 2 shot compulsive vig.

Collectively: Reflexively Roleblocking Vanillaizing Neighborizors who give this modifier to anyone who targets them.

AFAIK, that is the full claim of everyone in my hood. Vecna never actually retracted the obvious lie, but it was obvious, so...