Normal 222: Black Versus White Mafia (Endgame)

[The Fonz]

maybe one of A50/Vorkuta/

Something

What?? So, scum claimed MACHO Tracker Enabler???

I think this is a town claim. I definitely don't want to talk about why, though.

In the meantime, A50, I was meaning to ask. Now we've roleclaimed, why did you think Vorkuta was a rolecop? And why did you ask to go last in massclaim?

[Vorkuta]

PM/Fonz/One of Roster,VD maybe one of A50/Vorkuta/Something

Possibly LUV.

this is 8/13 and papa dalton is notorious for flippity-floppity-vote-hoppity on his reads at this stage of the game, so.... sure why not.
I also hate the wall of defense posts- some of them honestly feel tacked on like an afterthought, but the last time he did it he caught scum!yourstruly so..... :/

[The Fonz]

PM/Fonz/One of Roster,VD maybe one of A50/Vorkuta/Something

Possibly LUV.

this is 8/13 and papa dalton is notorious for flippity-floppity-vote-hoppity on his reads at this stage of the game, so.... sure why not.
I also hate the wall of defense posts- some of them honestly feel tacked on like an afterthought, but the last time he did it he caught scum!yourstruly so..... :/

How are you reading the PMysterious side of that exchange wrt alignment?

[Vorkuta]

I'm not because reading is hard

Any read of mine regarding the slot comes from a position of "catchup" to compensate for the horrible job the previous players did, so that slightly biases me against jigglypuff's 'amazing' thought process and discoveries.
Like- I'm tempted to policy the cursed slot (anyone here remember Jazz?) so I'm having difficulty reading the accusations as actually "grounded" and on their own merits.

I also suppose I'm waiting for round 2 (3?) from jigglypuff after the papa dalton wall we just had

[Something_Smart]

Is the cursed slot my slot?

[Vorkuta]

PMysterious Clemency Arcfield

You're fine because papa mason left like instantly so I forgot all about that

But yeah- saudade and snogazer (Oh cool- 4S slot) never had to push back against criticism or attacks/pressure.
Arc's response to it was horrible and clem.... was... yeah that's the cursed slot IMHO

[Almost50]

In the meantime, A50, I was meaning to ask. Now we've roleclaimed, why did you think Vorkuta was a rolecop? And why did you ask to go last in massclaim?

1- I probably confused roster with Vorky. Either that or Vorky said something (about the time RD vs VD fiasco) that sounded like he knew one of them's role. Not quite sure now and too lazy to recheck (which is why I keep notes, so as to not have to re-search for the info)

2- Because I wanted scum to worry about me having a different role than the one I claimed, so it'd be harder for them to fake claim. I think it paid off and most of them just claimed VT.

[The Fonz]

Right, here's the promised extensive thought. I'm now thinking Rick's either somehow town, or has painted himself into a corner as scum.

I don't think you could have reasonably expected that tracker claim to be believed, meaning it was just a dumb Boon gambit and not indicative of your alignment.

My first thought was RD is a scum power role. Maybe a roleblocker, maybe scum information role. I've been like "Why are we continually assuming a ninja when the only firm evidence of one we have is Rick's word?"

But Rick announcing no action was weird. Like, at first I'm like "LOLno why would town do that?" But maybe I can kind of see it arising from apathy/fear of the false positive. (I'd still see that as derpy, because it could confirm other town PRs/catch fakeclaimers in lies). I can't figure out why he takes that risk as scum if he'd actually visited someone.

If he's a scum power and he genuinely visited VD, he'd know he was ascetic. VD's claimed kill went through, so he'd have known if he'd failed to roleblock him, or he'd have got a non-result as an investigator. Maybe he's a scum doctor, but that doesn't make a lot of sense with only one town vig shot in the setup, nor does it really make sense to use it on a non-buddy (and in relation to A50's theory, I'm pretty sure VD is town unless it's multiball). Even if we theorise Rick is some kind of JOAT or limited shot scum PR, the ascetic issue still stands. If he's scum power and he visited anyone else, that was another unnecessary risk.

If Rick is scum without a non-kill night action, though, this visitor claim is super risky. We can insist he visits on pain of instalynch. We can demand he not target any claimed information role, and make him claim his visit in his first post every day, before any claimed info role or JOAT. We don't need to direct Chickadee, the threat should be enough.

Additionally, a BP GF makes little sense for the same reason a Mafia doc doesn't make sense, and there's no regular cop for an investigation-immune GF to be useful against. PM's idea that Rick is claiming Visitor as ninja is actually insane:

Who fakeclaims a role whose sole attribute is its ability to be tracked as a role whose sole attribute is its ability not to be tracked?

So either Rick is a mafia power role who's just nerfed himself by claiming visitor, or he's a goon who can be nailed by either of Roster and Chickadee. With a claimed bodyguard action still out there.

I'm just not sure what to do now. PMysterious was my second suspect before he pushed Rick (he's posted tons of IIoA today, I can't follow the thought process he used to attack me, and there's lingering suspicion from the ohfrz night kill). On the the other hand, I quite like that he's thrown himself into a push now. Ugh.

[The Fonz]

In the meantime, A50, I was meaning to ask. Now we've roleclaimed, why did you think Vorkuta was a rolecop? And why did you ask to go last in massclaim?

I probably confused roster with Vorky. Either that or Vorky said something (about the time RD vs VD fiasco) that sounded like he knew one of them's role. Not quite sure now and too lazy to recheck (which is why I keep notes, so as to not have to re-search for the info)

How could you have confused Vorky with Roster, when Roster had *explicitly* claimed his role by the time of that conversation?

[Rick Dalton]

That’s what I’m saying!!

A50 is right! I’m the GOAT, but I’m a derpy Goat.

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t back myself this hard into a scum corner without an escape route.

And Godfather isn’t allowed in Normals anymore.

[Rick Dalton]

Rosterfoster COP ME TONIGHT
Mumble bodyguard him. Simple

[Rick Dalton]

Although a Mumble has high scum equity and has gone under, tbh. Especially because heMs claiming to have the same role as Chemist.

Which actually might give Mumble townie points because why does scum claim that.

[Almost50]

How could you have confused Vorky with Roster, when Roster had *explicitly* claimed his role by the time of that conversation?

I always do. Ask them both. I even think I once voted one of them thinking I was voting the other.

Actually wait a second.. did one of then actually tell me not to drag his name "into this" earlier this game?? I'll do a quick search here

Yup. Check 1116 & 1117

[Almost50]

Rosterfoster COP ME TONIGHT
Mumble bodyguard him. Simple

Nope, and NOPE!

BG on TRACKER, and that's for starters. Copping you isn't worth it, because you are not a VT. Simple. You say you're not Vanilla and he gets Not Vanilla. So?

[Rick Dalton]

What’s the point of going on Tracker with Ninjas...?

Like I’m for it, but we’re not checking me with it anyways.

[Rick Dalton]

and I was playing off of Fonz’s post where he was calling me a potential goon, so you clearly didn’t read.

[Rick Dalton]

Like come on, dude, that was nit picky af

[Almost50]

What’s the point of going on Tracker with Ninjas...?

Like I’m for it, but we’re not checking me with it anyways.

How do you know that? We're not leashing the Tracker, so Chicka can do whatever she wants.

[Almost50]

and I was playing off of Fonz’s post where he was calling me a potential goon, so you clearly didn’t read.

You know I don't read wall posts. I read 2-3 lines and skim the rest at best. I only realized he proposed you might be a Goon when I double checked for the word "Goon" after you mentioned it.

[The Fonz]

SHUT THE F UP.

No one trusts either of you enough to direct night actions. We're not directing anyone other than Rick, and we're not directing Rick beyond "if your lying ass goes near a claimed power role or someone who 'coincidentally' ends up dead, you're getting lynched so fast you won't have time to say 'reaction test.'"

[Almost50]

Oooh! The cat has learned to scratch. Tough guy doesn't fit your image though, Fonzie.

[Rick Dalton]

Okay, did literally everyone miss the fact that I claimed my Informed part immediately...?

[Rick Dalton]

Told the truth with part of my role, lies with the other part.

That’s classic. Have you literally been arguing with this the entire time and completely didn’t have that on your radar?

[Almost50]

That's what I said. You are NOT VT. You're the one who looped back to being accused of being a Goon. I just cut the BS and returned to the original claim.

Also, can you please switch to Boonskiies for a couple of minute?