Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

I think the powers are what they say they are
But
- there’s just a lot of trickery involved to make you think other things are happening. They’re not.
- A lot of wine
- and there’s a lot of strategic use out of who Pine gives the fruit too

[popsofctown]

Pine did you know I was gonna watch MariaR sleep

[the worst]

jjh should probably focus on non fruit stuff a little too yeah but he'll do as he does

[jjh927]

I appreciate 4773 but your end point is wrong because we are indeed beating you at your own game

[jjh927]

jjh should probably focus on non fruit stuff a little too yeah but he'll do as he does

You did kinda stop talking to me about ari

[jjh927]

Pine wouldn't be giving us more facts if we were playing into his hands

[popsofctown]

I think the powers are what they say they are
But
- there’s just a lot of trickery involved to make you think other things are happening. They’re not.
- A lot of wine
- and there’s a lot of strategic use out of who Pine gives the fruit too

Ali you don't think the fruit has hidden poisons? I don't think I'm gonna use mine, roleblocker's not as strong as watcher and Jingle said Pine can tell lies of omission about fruit

[Alisae]

I'mma say this shit now btw. In nice big bold ass letters.

THE PINE MECHANIC IS A TRAP. THE PINE MECHANIC IS A TRAP. PLAYING BALL WITH PINE, RESPONDING TO PINE, ASKING FOR FKN FRUIT BLINDLY IS A MOVE THAT LOWERS TOWN'S WIN PERCENTAGE IN A NON-MINUTE MANNER. NEXT PERSON WHO INTERACTS WITH PINE AND GIVES HIM AN INVASIVE PLATFORM, OR TAKES FRUIT BLINDLY WITHOUT SOME GENERAL OPINION IS EATING BULLETS AT NIGHT OR ROPE THE NEXT DAY I SWEAR IT.

Seriously, I'm not usually the player who advocates for "town consent on powers" and I still don't think we should be leashing how someone uses a power when we give it to them, but the mechanic we have in play will not help us if Pine can choose who he bargains with. He'll make choices that are consistently good for scum which is NEVER A GOOD THING FOR US. So, our best move is to only play ball with him when we control the outcome, and otherwise to treat him persona non grata. Excommunicado.

NO TALKIE.

Capiche?

idunno u tell me

[the worst]

jjh should probably focus on non fruit stuff a little too yeah but he'll do as he does

You did kinda stop talking to me about ari

uh just flick back and have a look at this one please. you ghosted me, not the other way round. i even made a snarky comment about people engaging me about reads.

[popsofctown]

I guess that's something to think about

[the worst]

jjh do you still think Ari is scum?
is it POE or do you see a particular scum indicative agenda?

Do you not see a scum indicative agenda in his day 1 play?

i see an absolutely unreserved over-the-top hardcore defence of LLD with very little guilty conscience.
sure, i can attribute that to scum agenda if i want to. i can also attribute it to a very bad read.
scrolling through his posting in isolation in better represents a very bad read. following his posts i think the non-LLD stuff he's been floating has generally been fairly unbiased and insightful.

i think ari is the type of person who can have his read swayed by the type of shit LLD pulled d1.

so net of all things, he makes a lot of sense to me as town.

Why does town!ari attempt to drag out something like that when it was clearly not a fun time

i'm fairly wary of ari's scumrange (i've picked his alignment fairly reliably in micros we've played together), and i sincerely think the whole thing has been too lucid to be scum!ari.

pedit: i have no idea what that question means dude

i'm fairly wary of ari's scumrange (i've picked his alignment fairly reliably in micros we've played together), and i sincerely think the whole thing has been too lucid to be scum!ari.

pedit: i have no idea what that question means dude

Lynching players like LLD is hell because of the lengths they are willing to go to as scum

Ari knew this

Ari recognised that it was hell

He still essentially tried to prolong that hell

oops i didn't see this comment
i really don't think he reads the gamestate that hard dude

[jjh927]

Just because scum said it doesn't mean it can't be true

[the worst]

on the contrary ari seems to me like the type of player who is v v easily swayed by the types of lengths LLD goes to as scum. i don't think he was going through that thinking "hmmm how can i empower scum!LLD to fuck up peoples' days", i think he thought she was town and was struck by the lengths she went to in order to try and slip out of a lynch here.

[the worst]

don't think LLD expected to be the d1 lynch as of post 277 my dude

[jjh927]

oops i didn't see this comment
i really don't think he reads the gamestate that hard dude

Don't forget this either

He was willing to take literally any option he could find in order to avoid lynching LLD

I don't know if you recall, but I was the main scumread of his in that period and it formed in a manner that was opportunistic as fuck

[Alisae]

From a scum perspective
Something like that
Can REALLY leave an impact into making fruit seem like a trap
And if you’re trying to build that environment
Thats a pretty good way of doing it.

[the worst]

i think the issue i have w your ari read is it feels inductive. mine might also be inductive because he townpinged me and i want to be right about it (natural confbias) but i very much get the feeling you've dumped him in the "SCUM WITH LLD MUST DIE" basket which i don't think he belongs in. further consideration is required.

i'm also a little bit confused why you aren't pushing this more adamantly if you feel so strongly that he defiantly scumsided d1.

pedit:

oops i didn't see this comment
i really don't think he reads the gamestate that hard dude

Don't forget this either

He was willing to take literally any option he could find in order to avoid lynching LLD

I don't know if you recall, but I was the main scumread of his in that period and it formed in a manner that was opportunistic as fuck

you realise where your confbias comes from right?
i don't mean to minimalise the read but i think it's kinda cool we both wrote these posts simultaneously.

[Pine]

Pine did you know I was gonna watch MariaR sleep

Technically, I still don’t know how you sent in your action, as you’re the one who PMed Jingle.

[jjh927]

I mean, I was voteparking Ari for most of the day

[jjh927]

Honestly I've mostly just thought it was really obvious that Ari was scum

[popsofctown]

Pine did you know I was gonna watch MariaR sleep

Technically, I still don’t know how you sent in your action, as you’re the one who PMed Jingle.

full disclosure there was some Yoshi's Story roleplay involved and I'm not gonna pretend to be proud


I am going to actually be proud.

[the worst]

yeah fair, sorry that was largely an aside. just rearead his ISO pretending you weren't the victim of his sinister scheme d1 and tell me if you see it as agenda-driven or earnest outside of that? i'll actually deepdive his ISO and get back to you on whether i think i was being stupid or not

pedit: well... >:

[jjh927]

Past me had this to say:

What about the timing of this has anything to do with ulterior motives and how!?

What a dumb broad statement with no follow up and no gravity to it. This is exactly the kind of bs post I'm talking about! It looks decent on the surface but there is nothing to it!

In this particular case, I was trying to figure out if Dannflor was seeing what I was.

I thought the timing was super weird with your vote being quite clearly a means to shift attention off of UT, preferably onto me, when the people around who were talking about UT have effectively cooperated with me but still aren't sure about my alignment.
I am the only active player who has continued to express interest in you being lynched.
I've a firm feeling which has not gone away that Krazy's vote on you in RVS was a bus due to your likelihood of being rung up early, which he later shifted when the risk of that dissipated
LLD being the main proponent of my lynch also adds an interesting dynamic to it, especially if she's scum.

But back to the timing:
You didn't vote me when LLD cased me, or at any ensuing point
You didn't vote me right after isoing me
But you did vote me after... isoing UT and comparing the percentage of posts you considered to contain content, which is flimsy, and then there's that bunch of reasons for why scum!you would vote me then and there that make sense to me

[Alisae]

Pine did you know I was gonna watch MariaR sleep

Technically, I still don’t know how you sent in your action, as you’re the one who PMed Jingle.

full disclosure there was some Yoshi's Story roleplay involved and I'm not gonna pretend to be proud


I am going to actually be proud.

PAWPS

[Alisae]

I NEED THAT YOSHI’S STORY FANFICTION

I NEED IT