Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[popsofctown]

happy scumday for tomorrow popsofctown

Thanks trivia it was during my senior year of high school and I definitely didn't play mafia on school-owned computers it would be wrong for me to do that during first and third periods first semester and second and third periods second semester.

[Firebringer]

how do you have fun

by watching the world burn around me and joining in on the mayhem. Its pretty cool, u should try it sometime.

[popsofctown]

Lynch obvscum mastina, Firebringer becomes an innocent child, governor fruit is no longer a problem because he promised not to powertrip again

[popsofctown]

mastina scumslipped in the game thread

[Pine]

Pine how good are my reads?

These are my scum reads: the worst, mastina, katsuki, menalque
the scum leans idk: krazy, iconeum

nulls: pinkball, penguin

rest are town

[mastina]

Why are you so sure that pine would target ank on N1?

Pine didn't. I know that because if he had I'd be dead.
Why WAS I so sure that Ank would be Pine's target N1?
Because Ankamius is literally the best player in this playerlist, bar none.
She hits every town note that Pine would view as a threat.
She was a possible power role (I identified her as such on D1); she was a plausible mason.
She was someone who Jingle, self-evidently, prioritized--someone Pine WANTED on his scumteam, but because he didn't first-pick her, was sniped away by Jingle.
She is the best town player on site at reading and understanding gamestates and the gamestate on D1 was one which Pine didn't want the town to be able to read.
She has damn good reads, she is damn good at convincing people, and she is damn good at being obvtown.

By what metric would she in any world NOT be the best N1 nightkill for Pine?

There's literally no world given this playerlist where there's a better N1 than her so damn fucking straight I was sure she was going to be his nightkill. Up until D2 where the impossibility of that presented itself.

also, can anyone explain what should have happened if ank hid behind scum but also scum targeted her while she was being body guarded by Mastina? I really suck with NAR systems, but should Mastina not have died anyway?

Compare the wording of Ank's PM and mine:
(Bodyguard) Each night, you may target a player. Any

attempts

to

kill

that player will fail. If you successfully prevent a kill this way, you will die instead.

(Weak Hider)

Each night, you may target a player. If that player is

not a Loyal Retainer of Alisae

, you will die. If that

player is killed

during the Night, you will die. Otherwise, you will be protected

from all kills

.

Ankamius's Weak Hider did NOT make her untargetable. Someone could've tracked her; someone could've watched her; I could, and did, bodyguard her.
Ankamius's Weak Hider made her immune to nightkills, and ONLY nightkills.
That she died means she triggered one of the other two effects.
Which means she either hid behind Nacho (and I don't think she would because that'd be almost as stupid as hiding behind me), or she hid behind scum. Because she could NOT die any other way. Her own role, AND my role, gave her DOUBLE protection from nightkills.

[Menalque]

if someone is playing to the scum win condition, then they should be lynched

this is the priority, because fb has the governor fruit and Mastina does not

we need to make a decision about fb today, not postpone it to a worse time

[Something_Smart]

Why is there no site consensus on what hider does wtf.

[Firebringer]

maybe menalque is town. I don't think scum would be wasting their time with these piss poor arguments.

[Something_Smart]

It's normal now just follow the normal guidelines for crying out loud

[popsofctown]

S_S vote scum with me.

[Firebringer]

hey s_s and pops, remember when we were a team in guns and roses. That was fun.

[Pine]

Why is there no site consensus on what hider does wtf.

Hider targets someone, and is protected from kill attempts. If their hiding target dies, the Hider dies too.

There is, however, a common Weak Hider variant where the Hider dies if they hide behind scum. Ank flipped Weak Hider.

[mastina]

bad faith

There a reason you're trying to assume I'm scum and working backwards? This is what I meant by engaging me in bad faith ftr

There a reason you think I'm trying to assume you're scum and working backwards?

When I say I've seen nothing from you that was town except for one possible exception which I'm not even sure was you and even if it was was something not outside the range of scum theater.

That means that everything I've seen from you except for the one possible exception which I'm not even sure was you and even if it was was something not outside the range of scum theater, has made me think that you're scum.

That's not assuming you're scum and working backwards; that's seeing every reason for you to be scum and not seeing any reason for you not being scum.

[Dannflor]

the worst are you still around

[Menalque]

pops I think your Mastina thing is really reachy and it's reading like an attempt to take the focus away from what we do with fb and put it onto Mastina instead

[popsofctown]

It's not reachy, it's a thought process that's utterly incompatible with a green role PM, that she claimed to have throughout day 1, but she can't have had throughout day 1. Lynch all liars.

Firebringer can be scum too, I don't care, but mastina is scum.

[the worst]

yeah

pedit: every time I try and post I get pedited like 3-5 times

[Menalque]

jingle, does hider act before bodyguard in the NAR order?

[the worst]

summary of your case on me Mastina you have no idea what I've been doing this game but you think it's scummy.

if you don't see why I think you're reading me in bad faith, summarise your case including references to how I'm trying to achieve the scum wincon. I think there's material to work with. I could scumcase me rn.

[Dannflor]

hey menalque I have a question from a while back that was bothering me

I think dann is the least scummy, but I don’t like his interactions with the others. I also feel like he could be TMIing with his read on me as town. Like, he’s getting it right, but idk if he’s playing up how strong the indicators are for town!me to hide the fact he knows I’m town and has also maybe been trying to pocket me

could you elaborate on this read on me a little more?

We just played a game where I accurately town read you when I feel quite a few players thought you were scummy. Your play seems similar here

I'm not sure how we get from there to I'm trying to pocket you, which honestly, what do I gain from pocketing you?

[Something_Smart]

Hider targets someone, and is protected from kill attempts. If their hiding target dies, the Hider dies too.

No. Hider is immune to all actions when hiding. This is on the wiki.

[Dannflor]

yeah

pedit: every time I try and post I get pedited like 3-5 times

I've been wanting to jam reads with you but it's hard to get your attention in this thread and maintain a conversation

[the worst]

jingle, does hider act before bodyguard in the NAR order?

ouqt

theme games aren't obligated to use NAR and they could resolve in either order depending on role pm phrasing

[Pine]

jingle, does hider act before bodyguard in the NAR order?

Doesn’t matter. Bodyguard protects from kill attempts. Neither dying from the Weak modifier nor as a Hider side-effect is an external kill attempt.