Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Dannflor]

ah I mistook you, I thought you were saying you hadn't really done a lot of solving in the pt. I recall you reaching out to me yesterday so I was like "...the fuck did he try to reach out to me when he had a neighbour who is good at towning who he's not using?"

this makes a bit more sense

don't worry, this game is hell in many ways

are you town? if so we can probably hit a fairly firm poe

Oh I understand

We have about ~3 pages in our PT. Not a ton but we were definitely using it yesterday.

I am town. this game worries me because it seems like there's not a lot of consensus on what a PoE would even be

[Alisae]

We can’t lynch scum today btw

[mastina]

summary of your case on me Mastina you have no idea what I've been doing this game but you think it's scummy.

No, the summary of the case is that everything I've seen you do looks like scum.

if you don't see why I think you're reading me in bad faith, summarise your case including references to how I'm trying to achieve the scum wincon.

The only thing in bad faith is you asking this of me knowing it is ME you're asking to do this. When I deliver on promises like this, like...oh. Maybe on a good day, 5% of the time? You fucking know that this is something that I promise to do all the time and yet almost never deliver on.

[Pine]

Mastina

Stop repeating what I just said.

I mean, I appreciate it because afaik you're only sworn to tell the truth when it comes to fruit and there's no reason you wouldn't mislead me when it comes to NAR mechanics?

Why would I tell easily-disproved lies? That just makes me a dick.

[Pine]

We can’t lynch scum today btw

Ain’t that the truth

[Alisae]

Fire wants to ruin the game for everyone so we can’t lynch scum
Sorry lol XD

[Menalque]

We can’t lynch scum today btw

wait, why not?

[Menalque]

if we lynch scum and fire governs it then we have 2 conf!scum, no?

[the worst]

ah I mistook you, I thought you were saying you hadn't really done a lot of solving in the pt. I recall you reaching out to me yesterday so I was like "...the fuck did he try to reach out to me when he had a neighbour who is good at towning who he's not using?"

this makes a bit more sense

don't worry, this game is hell in many ways

are you town? if so we can probably hit a fairly firm poe

Oh I understand

We have about ~3 pages in our PT. Not a ton but we were definitely using it yesterday.

I am town. this game worries me because it seems like there's not a lot of consensus on what a PoE would even be

most of the consensus is really like underwhelming as well; Ali is trying eir best but a lot of other loud town voices are doing too much talking and not enough listening/thinking. gamestate shape is heavily lopsided for scum

[Dannflor]

dann, where's the scum motivation for me to say "hmm, think dann's TR is a little too fast and that he could be part of a scum bloc" instead of just eating it up like a good lil scumbag who was being SR at the time and probably would have been looking for supporting voices? why do I risk alienating you?

well, I wouldn't really take issue with it if it was just a direct scum read so much

Instead it was kind a fencesitty "he's not that scummy but um he could be scum" and the reason you listed for it did not sit well with me. It's like you wanted to agree with that scum block theory but didn't want to outright scum read me—and thus alienate me ig

I'm still town reading you for the most part, you're just in my bin of names of people I'm in the process of revisiting because I sort of tossed them in one pile or another D1 for ease of playing this large of a game

[Alisae]

if we lynch scum and fire governs it then we have 2 conf!scum, no?

- Pine gets benefits from that
- we wasted a day phase where we could have lynched scum

[Alisae]

Oh wait

[Alisae]

We can lynch mastina
VOTE: mastina

[the worst]

summary of your case on me Mastina you have no idea what I've been doing this game but you think it's scummy.

No, the summary of the case is that everything I've seen you do looks like scum.

if you don't see why I think you're reading me in bad faith, summarise your case including references to how I'm trying to achieve the scum wincon.

The only thing in bad faith is you asking this of me knowing it is ME you're asking to do this. When I deliver on promises like this, like...oh. Maybe on a good day, 5% of the time? You fucking know that this is something that I promise to do all the time and yet almost never deliver on.

tl;dr you want me lynched but don't really know what makes me scummy right?

[Menalque]

Mastina

Stop repeating what I just said.

I mean, I appreciate it because afaik you're only sworn to tell the truth when it comes to fruit and there's no reason you wouldn't mislead me when it comes to NAR mechanics?

Why would I tell easily-disproved lies? That just makes me a dick.

I don't think you would in normal circumstances, but I feel like you might here because the game moves so fast that people might miss it if they weren't the specific person looking for the answer?

[the worst]

We can lynch mastina
VOTE: mastina

yeah welcome

[Dannflor]

most of the consensus is really like underwhelming as well; Ali is trying eir best but a lot of other loud town voices are doing too much talking and not enough listening/thinking. gamestate shape is heavily lopsided for scum

yea

we need a town leader but a lot of my town reads are spending most of their time fighting

[Something_Smart]

if we lynch scum and fire governs it then we have 2 conf!scum, no?

Well yeah, but if we lynch scum and Fire doesn't govern them and they flip scum we still have two confscum, except that one of them is dead.

[Dannflor]

mastina's read on you is bad

[Alisae]

We can lynch mastina
VOTE: mastina

yeah welcome

Btw
I don’t actually think Fire is scum

[mastina]

You've explained in this post how the correct, pro-town stance, is, "I wanted to play in such a way that when I turned up dead N1, everyone would be positive that I was not the nightkill target Pine selected, but instead the target I crumbed was, clearing them".

Not what I said and outright false?

The only way a bodyguard dieing is definitively from a successful protection is if the bodyguard was playing shitty enough to never be the nightkill by dayplay.

There's nothing correct about playing shitty enough that you're never the nightkill.

It's always correct to be playing good enough where you could plausibly be the nightkill, even if you personally know it was due to a successful protection.

This is stupidly obvious.

[Dannflor]

I don’t actually think Fire is scum

tho he did just make the game harder

[Firebringer]

Fire wants to ruin the game for everyone so we can’t lynch scum
Sorry lol XD

my ultimate game plan revealed

[the worst]

thank u it's a lynchcase
I'm a little nervous it's coming from Mastina given she usually pays attention to optics when she's scum but it's just.... not towny or considered in any way that makes me wanna give her another day

[Firebringer]

i support a mastina lynch. Lets do it guys.