Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps


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Post Post #5850 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:44 am

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In post 5841, Menalque wrote:dann can you talk to me some more about why I should TR the duck?
I think it's better if you talk about your scum read first

My read is colored by meta and certain expectations of his play

Chickadee had an issue where she said she just liked duck too much to really have a confident objective read on him, even though she thought he was town.

You may or may not be more objective than me in this instance, but I'd like not to color the problems you see before you put them into words if that makes sense
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Post Post #5851 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:44 am

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In post 5847, Firebringer wrote:tell you what alisae, since ur already voting mastina ill give you a good deal. You think i can't work with you? I will prove you wrong. We lynch within one of my scumreads today, and ill let u decide when and if i ever use the govern.

I think that's a good deal
sure we’ll lynch mastina today
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Post Post #5852 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:44 am

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In post 5828, Alisae wrote:Part of me wants to think that Pine saw Fire as a towny who wants to go against me, made an offer to him that looks very appealing, and he took it because Pine is the devil and now Fire has the tool he needs to basically shit on me all game.
is this your reason for townreading Firebringer?
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Post Post #5853 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:45 am

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In post 5851, Alisae wrote:
In post 5847, Firebringer wrote:tell you what alisae, since ur already voting mastina ill give you a good deal. You think i can't work with you? I will prove you wrong. We lynch within one of my scumreads today, and ill let u decide when and if i ever use the govern.

I think that's a good deal
sure we’ll lynch mastina today

happy now?
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Post Post #5854 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:45 am

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In post 5848, Alisae wrote:yes because going out of our way to do something about it when he’s probably town is what Pine wants and is not good for us.
We shouldn’t be going after stupid townies like Fire
We should be going after scum
you realize that if Fire is town, either
- we vig him
- we force him to waste his govern, ideally by lynching him, or
- we get to LYLO and lose instantly?
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #5855 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:46 am

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In post 5850, Dannflor wrote:I think it's better if you talk about your scum read first

My read is colored by meta and certain expectations of his play
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this is why I keep laughing off your read Mena
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Post Post #5856 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:46 am

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In post 5854, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5848, Alisae wrote:yes because going out of our way to do something about it when he’s probably town is what Pine wants and is not good for us.
We shouldn’t be going after stupid townies like Fire
We should be going after scum
you realize that if Fire is town, either
- we vig him
- we force him to waste his govern, ideally by lynching him, or
- we get to LYLO and lose instantly?
I CANT USE IT DURING LYLO THIS HAS BEEN COVERED ALREADY FOUR FUCKING TIMES S_S
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Post Post #5857 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:46 am

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SS lynch has to be put off ANOTHER day because FUCK PEOPLE
But sure fire, I’ll play by your rules and lynch mastina :good:

Just hope this doesn’t go wrong tho, okay? :good:
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Post Post #5858 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:46 am

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In post 5854, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5848, Alisae wrote:yes because going out of our way to do something about it when he’s probably town is what Pine wants and is not good for us.
We shouldn’t be going after stupid townies like Fire
We should be going after scum
you realize that if Fire is town, either
- we vig him
- we force him to waste his govern, ideally by lynching him, or
- we get to LYLO and lose instantly?
he can't govern in lylo don't panic
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Post Post #5859 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:47 am

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In post 5852, the worst wrote:
In post 5828, Alisae wrote:Part of me wants to think that Pine saw Fire as a towny who wants to go against me, made an offer to him that looks very appealing, and he took it because Pine is the devil and now Fire has the tool he needs to basically shit on me all game.
is this your reason for townreading Firebringer?
Ali stop ignoring me. I'm trying to solve the game while you and Fire are having circular tantrums.
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Post Post #5860 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:47 am

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In post 5857, Alisae wrote:SS lynch has to be put off ANOTHER day because FUCK PEOPLE
But sure fire, I’ll play by your rules and lynch mastina :good:

Just hope this doesn’t go wrong tho, okay? :good:
i appreciate u cooperating
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Post Post #5861 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:48 am

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In post 5856, Firebringer wrote:I CANT USE IT DURING LYLO THIS HAS BEEN COVERED ALREADY FOUR FUCKING TIMES S_S
Yes but Pine can use your vote in LYLO, no?
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #5862 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:48 am

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In post 5858, the worst wrote:he can't govern in lylo don't panic
That is not the concern.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #5863 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:48 am

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In post 5861, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5856, Firebringer wrote:I CANT USE IT DURING LYLO THIS HAS BEEN COVERED ALREADY FOUR FUCKING TIMES S_S
Yes but Pine can use your vote in LYLO, no?
it's just for this day phase iirc
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Post Post #5864 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:49 am

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Also, can this vig stop fucking around and actually kill SS
I appreciate the chickadee shot, and I get why you woudn’t want to shoot SS if he’s the automatic lynch

But is there’s a default lynch for the day, that’s not good for me because that conflicts with how I sort.
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Post Post #5865 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:49 am

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HOW CAN WE SOLVE THIS GAME?
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Post Post #5866 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:49 am

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In post 5478, Pine wrote:you may choose to use the governor shot to negate my manipulation of your vote...or save it for the future.
This implies otherwise.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #5867 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:49 am

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In post 5865, the worst wrote:
HOW CAN WE SOLVE THIS GAME?
sorry slipped out.

what are you doing Alisae
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In post 5865, the worst wrote:
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Post Post #5869 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:51 am

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In post 5813, the worst wrote:tl;dr you want me lynched but don't really know what makes me scummy right?
No on every account.

I want Aristophanes lynched.
I want Krazy lynched.
I want Firebringer lynched.
And when all three are dead you'd be a top pick for a lynch but then and only then--and it's not because I don't know what makes you scummy, I know EXACTLY what makes you be scummy. It's that I have trouble verbalizing it, I have trouble putting it into words, it's effort and time that I very much rather not expend because it's not in my nature to want to try and figure out a way to try and vocalize the concept in my head which I lack the words to describe to others. I have the concept of my scumread on you locked down and know precisely what it is. I just don't know how to explain that read to others.

Similar logic applies to Aristophanes, Krazy, and Firebringer, too, to some extent. The full reasons for them being scum I have in my head, I just can't figure out how to explain it all. The difference being that with you while I don't have much in the way of ability to explain it, at least with them I have things I can kindof sortof more or less get out even if I'm only getting out a small portion of it.

Basically, with Aristophanes/Krazy/Firebringer I can explain like...20-35% of my cases on them; with you I can explain like...5-8% of my case on you.

You're not only a weaker scumread, you're also a harder scumread to explain.
You being a weaker scumread that is harder to explain doesn't mean the scumread has no reasons, it means exactly what it means:
You take more effort to explain for a read which is less likely to be correct.

That doesn't mean the read doesn't exist and that doesn't mean the reasons don't exist.

And it's incredibly disingenuous of you to be pushing this angle especially when you fucking know my personality and how I fucking operate.
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Post Post #5870 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:51 am

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In post 5867, the worst wrote:
In post 5865, the worst wrote:
HOW CAN WE SOLVE THIS GAME?
sorry slipped out.

what are you doing Alisae
lynching mastina
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Post Post #5871 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:52 am

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alright back to the crux of your case on me: given you have some kind of respect for my scumplay in large themes why do you think I absolutely suck ass here?

the duality of "tw is good at keeping scumteams together in large games" against "wow tw isn't doing anything" is something that hasn't been addressed and I'd like you to do it. given the experience you have with my play.
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Post Post #5872 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:52 am

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In post 5870, Alisae wrote:
In post 5867, the worst wrote:
In post 5865, the worst wrote:
HOW CAN WE SOLVE THIS GAME?
sorry slipped out.

what are you doing Alisae
lynching mastina
and ignoring me.

leading a lynch mob isn't your job dude.
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Post Post #5873 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:53 am

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actually not just ignoring me. ignoring everything in the game that isn't Firebringer/Mastina spectacle. Think you might need to slow down and look at the other stuff.
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Post Post #5874 (ISO) » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:54 am

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In post 5872, the worst wrote:
In post 5870, Alisae wrote:
In post 5867, the worst wrote:
In post 5865, the worst wrote:
HOW CAN WE SOLVE THIS GAME?
sorry slipped out.

what are you doing Alisae
lynching mastina
and ignoring me.

leading a lynch mob isn't your job dude.
I’m sorry I’m kind of frustrated atm
What is it you want me to respond to?
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