Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[the worst]

VOTE: pops

VOTE: pops

[Something_Smart]

mastina you are not a bodyguard

you are being really narrow-minded here

[Something_Smart]

It's not a scum trait.

[mastina]

Pops explain to me the scumslip loudly and clearly please.

Mastina knows that it is often pro-town to hide information as PR.

Yes, and hiding the fact that you died via bodyguarding successfully rather than died via being directly killed by scum isn't an example of this...

...Why?

But when she bragged about information hiding, it involved a hypothetical about mastina getting shot. Mastina knows she cannot get shot because she is scum, so this hypothetical is purely imaginary. In the hypothetical, she gets shot, or maybe Ank does, it's unclear. She bragged about playing a way day 1 that would make this unclear, and she bragged to look town because obscuring information as town PR is often protown, so she thinks it makes her look good.

So this is changing your narrative from "mastina scumslipped" to "mastina made a play which is Look At Me I'm So Town and I think that play comes from her as scum".

Good to know!

She didn't count out how the way the information would be hidden would hide it only from town, and not hide any information from scum, so it's not protown at all.

You keep saying this in spite of not addressing why this is false and I've explained multiple times in multiple ways precisely why it IS protown and yet you choose actively to ignore this to support your flawed narrative.

You're forcing the facts to fit the narrative rather than fitting the narrative to the facts.

[Something_Smart]

Re: the broadcast post, it doesn't at all address why mastina wouldn't play that way as a real BG. It addresses why it isn't a good IDEA but mastina as town has done plenty of things that aren't good ideas.

[the worst]

VOTE: mastina
pops goes tomorrow if this is a mislynch.

[Dannflor]

do we actually get any choice in lynch today

[Alisae]

VOTE: mastina
pops goes tomorrow if this is a mislynch.

smart duck

[popsofctown]

She would play protown as BG, but she would not play protown specifically for the purpose of weakening the utility of her BG role by obscuring its informational value. She perspective slipped about which faction gets informational value out of BG.

[Firebringer]

do we actually get any choice in lynch today

Yes

[Something_Smart]

She would play protown as BG, but she would not play protown specifically for the purpose of weakening the utility of her BG role by obscuring its informational value. She perspective slipped about which faction gets informational value out of BG.

Mastina's not dumb, why are you arguing that she is?

[the worst]

do we actually get any choice in lynch today

yeah.

[Alisae]

do we actually get any choice in lynch today

ever since fire said his reads or govern?
no not really

[popsofctown]

She would play protown as BG, but she would not play protown specifically for the purpose of weakening the utility of her BG role by obscuring its informational value. She perspective slipped about which faction gets informational value out of BG.

Mastina's not dumb, why are you arguing that she is?

Are you throwing a too wolf to be wolf defense?

[chennisden]

Hello broadcaster.

[Firebringer]

do we actually get any choice in lynch today

ever since fire said his reads or govern?
no not really

I already said you get choices in my scumread.

You lynch a townread and I am governing.
That is a choice

[mastina]

Another way to look at it that maybe has a more down to earth angle is that it's very offtune that she was excited and tooting her horn about being an extremely viable N1 kill as bodyguard when bodyguard is a roll that makes it way less exciting to be an extremely viable N1 kill, less exciting than VT.

Outright false; I never said I'd be the N1 nightkill and in fact explicitly said otherwise--I am never the N1 nightkill but if I die N1 to a successful protection as a bodyguard, I wouldn't be able to tell the town this postmortem and I wouldn't be able to tell the town that premortem either without giving away the fact that I am a bodyguard (thus ensuring a successful protection isn't possible).

Thus, if I was playing protown.

Which is what I was aiming to do D1.

Then it would inherently be ambiguous to the town.

And that ambiguity, which I've explained why it's a fucking good thing and which you've repeatedly fucking ignored, is not antitown; it is incredibly protown.

[chennisden]

I prefer my FB wagon thanks.

[Something_Smart]

Are you throwing a too wolf to be wolf defense?

No. I'm saying that mastina wouldn't forget that scum know who they targeted if a BG dies. Thus your explanation is bunk and you should be looking for another one.

[Alisae]

mastina will flip scum
and SS should be getting shot tonight and the vig should really shoot SS because he was supposed to die today

THEN the gamestate will be in such a position that we'll actually have a ton of choices on who to lynch and people can play the game and I can have reads.

[Alisae]

I prefer my FB wagon thanks.

why aren't you scumhunting?

[popsofctown]

Another way to look at it that maybe has a more down to earth angle is that it's very offtune that she was excited and tooting her horn about being an extremely viable N1 kill as bodyguard when bodyguard is a roll that makes it way less exciting to be an extremely viable N1 kill, less exciting than VT.

Outright false; I never said I'd be the N1 nightkill and in fact explicitly said otherwise--I am never the N1 nightkill but if I die N1 to a successful protection as a bodyguard, I wouldn't be able to tell the town this postmortem and I wouldn't be able to tell the town that premortem either without giving away the fact that I am a bodyguard (thus ensuring a successful protection isn't possible).

Thus, if I was playing protown.

Which is what I was aiming to do D1.

Then it would inherently be ambiguous to the town.

And that ambiguity, which I've explained why it's a fucking good thing and which you've repeatedly fucking ignored, is not antitown; it is incredibly protown.

Ambiguity
To the town
Is protown
I can't even

[MariaR]

VOTE: Mastina

[mastina]

do we actually get any choice in lynch today

Yes.

This isn't a fucking gladiate.

This is a fucking lynch.

Choosing not to vote Firebringer because he has a fucking governor is not fucking town.

You lynch someone who is fucking scum.

If you hit scum and it isn't governed, it's a fucking scum lynch.
If you hit scum and it is governed, it's a no lynch but congratulations, you now know that you hit fucking scum.
If you deliberately mislynch town because "oh we can't lynch scum today", it is a fucking self-fulfilling prophecy and then OH GUESS WHAT YOU LYNCHED TOWN because you didn't think it was fucking possible to lynch scum.

[MariaR]

Pops is town regardless of what mastina is btw