Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Krazy]

Because as town you actually think instead of writing whiny wallposts for the sake of writing whiny wallposts

[Pine]

Because as town you actually think instead of writing whiny wallposts for the sake of writing whiny wallposts

lol he’s got you there.

[mastina]

Right now it feels like that's the conclusion she reached because that's the order she decided to put names in in her reads list and now that Ari and jjh are dead she feels compelled to continue going up the list regardless of anything else that happens in the game. Which is basically how I felt about her in Story Revisited.

but
wait
isn't this something that mastina does all of the time?

It is.
Which is why Krazy saying it's scum indicative is absolute horseshit.
It's not something I only do as scum; it's something I do literally every fucking game. Which means sure yeah I do it as scum in like the 1/20 games a year where I rand scum but in the 19/20 games where I'm just town I do it just as much if not more.

[Alisae]

Because as town you actually think instead of writing whiny wallposts for the sake of writing whiny wallposts

lol he’s got you there.

dude you must be having a blast

[Gamma Emerald]

So Gamma
if you were to grade Krazy's ISO with this as your rubric,
what would your read on Krazy be?

I'm more interested in why krazy in particular

Simple.
Exercise.
Take a look at literally any Krazy towngame this year.
What is he doing in those games?

Scumhunting a plenty. Active, giving content, giving reads. Doesn't matter what the pace of the game is, doesn't matter what's happening in his life, doesn't matter how V/LA he is. He has contributed content, reads, reasons, to all of them. Sometimes with a slow start, but he's always giving eventually and it's always good, solid stuff with good reasoning, good logic, sound stances that even if they aren't correct you can follow and understand the logic behind him having taken those stances, and these stances are based around players' content and him commenting on them.

Exercise.
Take a look at the majority of Krazy's scumgames this year.
What is he doing in those games?
Pretty much jackshit. When he does contribute, a lot of his content as scum revolves around mechanics and theorizing about what those mechanics mean for the game.

Now tell me.
Which of those two resembles his play this game?

THAT is why Krazy is scum.

I'd say town based on what I've already seen.

[Alisae]

okay cool!
Thank you Gamma Emerald for participating!
lets see what other people think

[Titus]

Alisae suggests a Firewagon,

Titus I was asleep the whole time LLD was being pushed.

Yeah, you were asleep the entire time a scum wagon went through...as the IC.
As the hyperposting IC
When the wagon you wanted on Fire was countered hard.
When the counterwagon target puts no effort into sorting Fire. (251 the worst says don't worry about ppl jumping on Fire, next mention is after LLD bus).

Like how could you sleep through an entire wagon unless scum wanted it to go through? You have so many posts people are complaining.

You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

[Alisae]

You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

no, my theory was that Chickadee was the vig kill because it was indicated that she was "stabbed" to death and that jjh was the scum kill because it was said that jjh was "turned into wood."
Those kills all happened on night 2.

[mastina]

Sometimes it feels that way, but when she's town she also tends to just voluntarily produce these unreadable volumes about her thought process.

Oh yes and I've totally lacked that this game.

It's not like I've been wearing my fucking heart on my sleeve laying out my process behind how I approached my role.
It's not like I've been describing my thoughts about my process behind my reads.
It's not like I've been describing my thoughts about players, how I came to conclusions and so on and so forth.
I mean surely such things are absent from my iso, right?

I feel like I got her to reevaluate several points there

I have reevaluated this game and the proof is in my readslists and the shifts in them.
Numerous players have moved up and down in positioning in them and those reads were not formed entirely on my own; it was the feedback of others which helped position them.

Pretending I haven't reevaluated won't magically make it true.

Just because some players haven't shifted positioning doesn't mean no reevaluation has happened.
Just because you've remained a scumread doesn't mean there hasn't been players who I've reevaluated.
And sure I reevaluated several points in Tatsuya's Anime UPick--but to say that while ignoring that there were several points in that game I

didn't

reevaluate, which I DIDN'T shift my positioning on, is disingenuous as fuck.

she IS reactive as town in a way she kinda isn't as scum

Yeah sure as fuck am!
And what the fuck is this game if not the fucking definition of me being reactive in a way which I'm not as scum.

[Titus]

Here is a list Alisae:

the worst, mastina, katsuki, krazy, iconeum, pinkball, penguin

I will not govern a lynch on any of these.

Who do you want to lynch?

Fuck it.

VOTE: Krazy

[Titus]

You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

no, my theory was that Chickadee was the vig kill because it was indicated that she was "stabbed" to death and that jjh was the scum kill because it was said that jjh was "turned into wood."
Those kills all happened on night 2.

I meant vig not venge.

Jjh being the scumkill means he was killed for his day 1 reads.

Those are Fire and Krazy.

[Pine]

Because as town you actually think instead of writing whiny wallposts for the sake of writing whiny wallposts

lol he’s got you there.

dude you must be having a blast

I am! Btw, when this turns out to be a close game instead of the blowout it was shaping up to be, we simply MUST thank Ari. That desperado really turned things around for you

[Krazy]

So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

Scumleans

DrippingGoofball

Menalque

Krazy

Scumreads

xofelf
Aristophanes

I mean, it looks to me like jjh was killed for having shitty reads

The only possible scum he had in his bottom 5 was Mena, who he does not mention at all on page 2 of his iso

[Alisae]

You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

no, my theory was that Chickadee was the vig kill because it was indicated that she was "stabbed" to death and that jjh was the scum kill because it was said that jjh was "turned into wood."
Those kills all happened on night 2.

I meant vig not venge.

Jjh being the scumkill means he was killed for

his day 1 reads.

Those are Fire and Krazy.

so, I'm having trouble understanding how you reached the bolded conclusion.
Who was shot n1 in that case?

[Krazy]

Those are Fire and Krazy.

You make this point twice but don't bother to check that his read flipped on Fire before the end of page 1 of his iso?

[mastina]

I think I got to get a sense of town mastina through her rob read. Not because she moved a scum player from null to scum over the course of two day phases, but because I actually felt like she was engaging with my questions about her read and because I felt like I could actually understand her thought process.

Just because I haven't engaged

you

doesn't mean that engagement doesn't exist.

Pretending I haven't engaged players who have questioned my reads and explained my thought process when I fucking have and in fact have gone out of my way to do it in some cases (for instance, the reason why I stopped slacking off on my first wallpost readslist was specifically because Ank wanted mine and Dann's readslists before the end of the day and I did it specifically because she wanted me to do it) won't magically make it so that I didn't.

So she can have superficial thought processes as town, but generally her thought process is significantly more fluid as town than as scum.

Oh yes and my scumread on you sure is proof of lacking fluid thought process.

It's not like I've reevaluated other slots in the game.
It's not like I've explained how my reads on other players has shifted, has changed.
It's not like there's been a fluidity in my reads regarding half the playerlist.

OH WAIT.

[Titus]

So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

Scumleans

DrippingGoofball

Menalque

Krazy

Scumreads

xofelf
Aristophanes

I mean, it looks to me like jjh was killed for having shitty reads

The only possible scum he had in his bottom 5 was Mena, who he does not mention at all on page 2 of his iso

Not subtle there with the green.
Xoelf/SS was widely scumread at the end of day 2. Everyone on a wagon of 3 plus was voting wrong Day 2. To argue that jjh was killed because shitty reads is disingenuous. Instead, they're shooting people before the LLD lynch.

[Krazy]

Pretending I haven't engaged players who have questioned my reads and explained my thought process

I've seen you throw a lot of tantrums but explaining your thought process? honestly not so much

[Krazy]

argue that jjh was killed because shitty reads is disingenuous.

as opposed to saying he was killed because of his "scumread" on firebringer?

[Titus]

Those are Fire and Krazy.

You make this point twice but don't bother to check that his read flipped on Fire before the end of page 1 of his iso?

Don't need to. Jjh was captured by that point. LLD's vote on JJH was a terrible chainsaw Grey discovered.

Looking at day 1

[Krazy]

Jjh was captured by that point.

What does this mean?

[Alisae]

The cliffnotes:
literally randomly selected snippets of his iso.

No joke, I pressed the iso button, started from the top, then randomly scrolled down, selected a random post from the screen, scrolled down some more, selected a random post from the screen, and so on and so forth and eventually wrapped around to the top again doing this process. Those show his typical level of contribution this game.

There is basically no scumhunting done in those posts.
There is mechanics talk. "Pine might do X because of Y". "Ank might do X because of Y". There is some fluff. There is a consistent trend of not doing shit.

so uuuuuuh
having read this post a bit more
HONESTLY
HONESTLY
I don't really think I should have to explain why this isn't adequate
or even helpful.

And if anyone can explain why, then they can have some town points.

[Titus]

Jjh was captured by that point.

What does this mean?

Agency captured. It's when a townie, although well meaning works for scum. JJH was utterly convinced LLD was town. LLD flipped scum. Prior to the LLD wagon is where we should look at Jjh reads. That's when LLD made her fatal vote.

[Titus]

You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

no, my theory was that Chickadee was the vig kill because it was indicated that she was "stabbed" to death and that jjh was the scum kill because it was said that jjh was "turned into wood."
Those kills all happened on night 2.

I meant vig not venge.

Jjh being the scumkill means he was killed for

his day 1 reads.

Those are Fire and Krazy.

so, I'm having trouble understanding how you reached the bolded conclusion.
Who was shot n1 in that case?

Nacho? Ank his and died.

Nacho was likely a shoot to prevent from impacting the game.

[Alisae]

You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

no, my theory was that Chickadee was the vig kill because it was indicated that she was "stabbed" to death and that jjh was the scum kill because it was said that jjh was "turned into wood."
Those kills all happened on night 2.

I meant vig not venge.

Jjh being the scumkill means he was killed for

his day 1 reads.

Those are Fire and Krazy.

so, I'm having trouble understanding how you reached the bolded conclusion.
Who was shot n1 in that case?

Nacho? Ank his and died.

Nacho was likely a shoot to prevent from impacting the game.

Read the kill flavor for Nacho's death
then the kill flavor for the N2 kills.