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PMysterious Mafia Scum
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In this case, quite the contrary. Rick asked for the Tracker to check him to confirm his Visitor claim. If there are Ninjas in the game like Rick claimed, the fact that Rick could have visited a player could have proven his claim to be true, thus be a confirmed Town. If Mumble is a 1-Shot Bodyguard, then he should have protected Chickadee. If it costs me my own life, I'd have protected the un cc'd Tracker in a heartbeat, regardless if there were Ninjas or not. Backing up the claim of a Visitor or any other power role could be crucial to piecing together the puzzle, but now with Chickadee dead, we can't even do that, unless there is another Tracker.In post 1597, Something_Smart wrote:In fairness, if there's a ninja, the tracker was not all that useful to us.ShowPM, here with a calmer nature.
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Seeing Rick visit someone wouldn't have confirmed anything, though...It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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PMysterious Mafia Scum
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I accused him of being a Mafia Ninja, a role that doesn't confirm a visit to the Tracker. If the Tracker came back with a positive result, it would have confirmed that Rick wasn't the Ninja at least. So now, with the Tracker dead, this provides a few theories.
1. There is a Ninja that killed Chickadee mostly so we wouldn't get anymore information on Rick, since most of us were scumreading him yesterday.
2. There is a Ninja and Rick is that ninja, and if Chickadee was alive, then the result would be negative, thus forcing more suspicion.
3. There is no Ninja and it was a bluff by Rick to get us to think there are Ninjas. However, this also means that if the Mafia performs kills, then they could be found out by the Tracker, thus requiring them to kill the un CC'd Tracker.
Regardless, all of these results would have required the Tracker to be killed, the un CC'd Tracker, mind you. So, without a doubt, we must ask. If Mumble is a 1-Shot Bodyguard as he claimed, then why did he not protect Chickadee?ShowPM, here with a calmer nature.
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Why would you claim visitor as ninja, a role that specifically cannot be seen visiting?
If Rick is scum it's likely he has a visiting role and someone ELSE on his team is a ninja. In that case they have nothing to fear from the tracker but a lot to gain if Rick gets false confirmed.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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If there is a Ninja AND Rick is Scum, then why would they kill the one person that could have made Rick look town? It doesn't make sense in that regard.In post 1605, Something_Smart wrote:Why would you claim visitor as ninja, a role that specifically cannot be seen visiting?
If Rick is scum it's likely he has a visiting role and someone ELSE on his team is a ninja. In that case they have nothing to fear from the tracker but a lot to gain if Rick gets false confirmed.
So we have a few questions that need answering.
1.Why did Mafia kill the Tracker?
2.If Mumbleis1-Shot Bodyguard, then why did he not protect Chickadee?
These two questions could very well be connected, and answering them might crack this game wide open. At this point, it's worth a shot.ShowPM, here with a calmer nature.
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Full disclosure, I advised him not to protect her, but I don't know if he listened to me.
I won't say what I advised him to do, in case he doesn't want to publicly reveal whether he still has the shot.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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We should hear roster's result before we do anything.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Not to put words in SS' mouth, but I think that's his point. All this talk of ninjas is a red herring. I'll explain once mumble posts.In post 1606, PMysterious wrote:
If there is a Ninja AND Rick is Scum, then why would they kill the one person that could have made Rick look town? It doesn't make sense in that regard.In post 1605, Something_Smart wrote:Why would you claim visitor as ninja, a role that specifically cannot be seen visiting?
If Rick is scum it's likely he has a visiting role and someone ELSE on his team is a ninja. In that case they have nothing to fear from the tracker but a lot to gain if Rick gets false confirmed.
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Yes, it was my point.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Roster site flaked I think.In post 1608, Something_Smart wrote:We should hear roster's result before we do anything.-
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Mumble Mafia Scum
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Because this isn't an open setup and an "un cc'd Tracker" doesn't mean that Chick was actually that role, and I didn't feel like taking a bullet for her.In post 1596, PMysterious wrote:Okay, so the Tracker was nightkilled. Now for the question. Mumble, you claimed to be a 1-Shot Bodyguard alongside your other powers.
Why did you not protect Chikadee despite the claim? You only claimed to neighbor someone on Night 1, with no claim of you using your Bodyguard power. So, why didn't you use it on the un cc'd Tracker?
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Not sure the tracker dying makes Mumble scum. I mean could see it, he hasn’t exactly been playing a pro-town game or leaving a town of reads. He hasn’t tried to avoid being a kill target either because his play has been worth a vigilante shot. I just can’t escape the feeling that it feels a bit too easy.
It seems like you’re devaluing the individual player though by simply dismissing the VT player as worthless simply based on their role. A strong VT player playing a good game can be dangerous to scum and a great idea for a bodyguard to guard.-
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I think that’s a discussion to have for post game.
What I will say is that one can argue that if as town, you have an opportunity to die and flip in a game without bringing scum closer to their win condition, you should normally take it; it gives town more information (the fact that you were town), which both helps them trust your reads and reduces the chance that you get mislynched, and the only downside is that you can't give public opinions on what happens in the rest of the game.-
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This isIn post 1615, Mumble wrote:I'm not going to take a bullet for someone I don't know is town. I know my own alignment.painful. You "not taking a bullet" for them means they do get the bullet themselves. WHO gets shot at on this game? That's right! TOWN DO. Moreover, a BODYGUARD is SUPPOSED to die for someone else. That's what a BG does. You are NOT meant to survive to endgame anyway. I call BS. Vote stays.
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PMysterious Mafia Scum
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That's the point of Mafia. You DON'T know if anyone on the Town side is actually town. But considering that again, Chickadee was un-cc'd, that should be a decent indicator that she was Town.In post 1615, Mumble wrote:I'm not going to take a bullet for someone I don't know is town. I know my own alignment.
You SHOULD have bit the bullet for Chickadee to survive the night, but you didn't. In that case,what did you do on the previous night?ShowPM, here with a calmer nature.
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There is a vigilante in this game, dillweed. Also, I'm not just a bodyguard, dipstick.In post 1617, Almost50 wrote:
This isIn post 1615, Mumble wrote:I'm not going to take a bullet for someone I don't know is town. I know my own alignment.painful. You "not taking a bullet" for them means they do get the bullet themselves. WHO gets shot at on this game? That's right! TOWN DO. Moreover, a BODYGUARD is SUPPOSED to die for someone else. That's what a BG does. You are NOT meant to survive to endgame anyway. I call BS. Vote stays.-
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It not a fucking open game or even semi-open. There is nothing to CC. Fuck off.In post 1618, PMysterious wrote:
That's the point of Mafia. You DON'T know if anyone on the Town side is actually town. But considering that again, Chickadee was un-cc'd, that should be a decent indicator that she was Town.In post 1615, Mumble wrote:I'm not going to take a bullet for someone I don't know is town. I know my own alignment.
You SHOULD have bit the bullet for Chickadee to survive the night, but you didn't. In that case,what did you do on the previous night?
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Points awarded for the creative insults.
Points promptly subtracted for thinking a vig would ever shoot Chickadee.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Why would a Vig target a claimed unCC'd Tracker, MF? And I KNOW what you claimed, SoB.In post 1619, Mumble wrote:There is a vigilante in this game, dillweed. Also, I'm not just a bodyguard, dipstick.
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Okay that's enough.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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