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[Donempire]

whatever

[the worst]

Two posts where he seems attentive to the gamestate, what players are around, etc.:

Interestingly I actually had 40 down as another red mark. The most lucid he's been in this game is while focusing on activity-based tells, which really aren't any easier to focus on as either town or scum.

If he's town, he definitely could have seen this and gone "yeah that concerns me" and made that vote. If he's scum it's still quite easy for him to see that and go "wow that looks bad". I'm aware that you're playing devil's advocate so I don't intend to put your case down at all. But looking at this as an example of one of the towniest posts in his iso makes me think he's far more likely to be scum, as it's not really a post I think is more likely to come from town. :c

Either alignment can have a glance at post#0 to pick somewhere to push so that they seem busy.. I think it takes quite a lot more effort to actually snap back to the game and focus on analysing players' intentions and play in the thread. Things were in motion in the thread, and emps didn't pick up on them (I've already spoken quite a lot about what I was picking up come pg 2 -- emps is usually very astute).

Here he's saying almost the exact same things I was thinking while catching up. Like I agree that the rest of his posts are not that good but it just seems weird to me that scum would be so in tune with my pov:

These quotes are interesting as well. To give a shorter answer, I think you'll find town scumhunting find it easier to focus on specific things which happen in the thread. On the flip side, scum trying to look like they're scumhunting will focus on more general tells and tend to struggle to really analyse specifics in detail.

As for the rest: I think his defensiveness and inability to focus on what he's pushing are tells of a guilty conscience. Townies pushing scum tend to pick up a bit of fire because they feel that they're right.. Emps' ISO is void of fire. Another sample is like his advice to Mack in 90. At a surface level it looks like protown advice, but in practice it's not really easier for either town or scum to explain something posted on the wiki. When it sits in an ISO with very little engaging nuanced scumhunting, I think it's usually a scum ISO.

[Robbnva]

whatever

what is the problem with that?

[the worst]

VOTE: ClaimNow

This is L-1. Please give intent to hammer and allow ClaimNow to claim (following his namesake! )

The quote tags and pt slip are likely as bad as they look. I agree him reaching 85 posts on his own is pretty improbable. I haven't read his ISO deeply critically yet, but there is a noted lack of solving in there. Given he's comparatively new and hasn't had a lot of success as scum recently, it checks out that he'd be interested in getting a second pair of eyes on his posts. On the flipside, I can't really see Claim using a personal private topic here. If he did, the outcome was reaching the point of quoting posts and asking why people thought things. It's a perfectly fine start to a game, but I don't think it's the kind of questions you're still restricted to after talking to yourself for 3 and a half pages, you know?

I'm pretty interested in a d3 where there's a prospect of {emps, mack} + at least one of {dong, myself} alive. I also think this game is solvable via process of elimination. At post 150, and from what I've seen in the last couple of pages, I'm at around:

{[drdrew/tw]} confirmed town (just from my perspective)
{[robbnva]} strong town
{dyrenz/dong} townread
{Aisa} leaning town
{Mack} I'm putting as a nullread. Please see below.
{} no scumleans allowing for PoE
{emps} is a a scumread via sheer play
{ClaimNow} is strongly scum given they appear to have slipped from the scum pt

[Robbnva]

Intent is implied cause he is the only one I have wanted to lynch today. so I give intent.

now he needs to claim. I will hammer tomorrow morning though as the day ends tomorrow afternoon.

[Aisa]

Dongempire and the worst, what both of you are saying makes sense. I'll let it "simmer" for a bit and I'd like to see if emps responds. I'll keep an eye on the thread.

pedit: oh I see.

[Aisa]

I'm pretty interested in a d3 where there's a prospect of {emps, mack} + at least one of {dong, myself} alive.

Why?

[the worst]

I'm pretty interested in a d3 where there's a prospect of {emps, mack} + at least one of {dong, myself} alive.

Why?

No matter how Claim flips, I think it will be a spicy phase.

If this is a scumflip: because I think the partner is emps. If not, I think it's Mack. I believe I'll be able to sort Mack with a conversation.

If ClaimNow is actually town: because I think everyone other than emps and Mack are town and I also believe I'll be able to sort Mack with a conversation.

Based on what Dong has been picking up from emps' slot, I trust him to reevaluate his read on emps and reach the right outcome as well.

[Donempire]

VOTE: Claim

See ya sucker

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Claim

See ya sucker

Dick move

[Skygazer]

VC 2.06

How to Be Comfortable Around That Special Someone

ClaimNow (4): emps, Mackenie, the worst, Dongempire

Not Voting (3): ClaimNow, Robbnva, Aisa

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to reach a lynch. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-24 21:45:00).

[Skygazer]

ClaimNow

has been lynched. They were a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

It is now

Night Two

. Night two ends in (expired on 2019-09-25 16:30:00).

[Skygazer]

Dongempire

was killed last night! They were a Vanilla Townie.



It is now

Day Three

.

[Skygazer]

VC 3.00

How to Do Your Hair Like Sandy from Grease

Not Voting (5): Robbnva, Aisa, emps, Mackenie, the worst

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to reach a lynch. Day three ends in (expired on 2019-10-02 17:15:00).

[the worst]

Mack, let me know when you're around.

emps, if you're town now is the time to start spewing town.

[Robbnva]

Like I still think doc/mack slots are scummiest, whoever was scum talked a lot.

Mack hasn’t been scum on site. Doc hasn’t either. I don’t know how talkative they are.

Emps on the other hand as scum is very talkative based on his scum game. He even encouraged his partner lay low. Claim was eek. Eek did eventually confirm his role pm which means he probably made a couple of posts in the scum pm.

After the scum slip, anyone on the wagon or pushing claim could easily be scum trying for town cred/bussing.


So for now

VOTE: emps

[Robbnva]

Claim was also slightly town reading emps for no reason.

[Mackenie]

Not got much time right now but just want to say well played getting a scum, will have to work on my reads but the only one i'm certain on is ROB = Town. Would have never noticed the slip myself and no way a half decent scum partner would have pointed it out.

[the worst]

I'm the Doc slot. Hi, hello.

I want to work with you to crunch down the next tier of your read list (work out "if emps is town who out of myself and Mack is more likely to be town"), but as of right now I think emps is more than likely just scum.

pedit: agreed, Robb is definitely town. When you do have a bit of time Mack, let me know. I can see people's souls so I wanna question you a bit. >:3

[Robbnva]

I’m sure emps is going to try and take credit for pointing it out cause he was the one who actually said something but my “uh” post which emps quoted was clearly because of the slip.

Scum is in emps/Mack/myself. So from my POV game is won regardless as we have a mislynch an my pool is 2 people

Somebody would really have to convince me doc was lurking here but active in the pf.

[Robbnva]

I know you are.

[the worst]

Emps on the other hand as scum is very talkative based on his scum game. He even encouraged his partner lay low. Claim was eek. Eek did eventually confirm his role pm which means he probably made a couple of posts in the scum pm.

This is also very true. Just reading the day one gamestate, we had very vocal slots fighting with Cyrus which eventually lead to his death.

cyrus62 (5): Saint Percy, Robbnva, Doctor Drew, Mackenie, Kerset

This is his wagon at the time of being lynched. This was pushed by Aisa's slot, you, and my slot. The final votes by Mack and Kerset. I don't feel like a full vote count analysis of this game is probably necessary but:

Saint Percy and Robb are more than likely town for the way this wagon formed. It was against a strong vocal townie, who was posting slightly off-beat. It takes a lot of guts to try and gun this kinda person down as scum.

The more opportunistic votes are in {me, Mack}--these are votes which are conceivably more likely to come from scum. This is the point where scum see that a wagon is the real deal and realise that it's a viable lynch target.

I know I'm town (and would argue that Doc's stances on Cyrus made it really clear that he would be voting there). Which leaves Mack as the highest scum-equity here by wagon position alone. There is more than one reason for him to be in this wagon position, though.

Kerset we all know was town, so...

[the worst]

Doctor should claim today. They will be counterclaimed if this game goes into 3p. Claim order I would suggest:

Myself
emps
Asia
Mack
Robb

I'm happy to be shifted til later if people are comfortable with me going later.

Clearing someone from the PoE probably wins us the game. I have a solid read on who the doctor is, so gonna be interesting to see.

[Robbnva]

An all town wagon is definitely possible and scum could have been laying low


I really need to read emps iso.

[Robbnva]

Why the fuck was dong killed?