Normal 222: Black Versus White Mafia (Endgame)

[Rick Dalton]

Although, in A Boondom Menace, he was scum, and he did the most, and he effectively wrecked his entire scum team and didn’t get town read for any of it.

[The Fonz]

S_S, you've defended Rick and PP/Mumble. That would imply scum didn't fakeclaim anything beyond VT from your perspective if you're town. That means all the scum would have to be in (Me) PMy, Vorkuta, DarthB, LUV, Almost.

Does that do anything for your reads on the two claimed roles with night actions? If not, even if I assumed you were reading me as scum, 3/5 of the others would have to be scum. Do you read any of them as town?

[Rick Dalton]

S_S, you've defended Rick and PP/Mumble. That would imply scum didn't fakeclaim anything beyond VT from your perspective if you're town. That means all the scum would have to be in (Me) PMy, Vorkuta, DarthB, LUV, Almost.

Does that do anything for your reads on the two claimed roles with night actions? If not, even if I assumed you were reading me as scum, 3/5 of the others would have to be scum. Do you read any of them as town?

So pretty damn close to my solve

[Something_Smart]

S_S, you've defended Rick and PP/Mumble. That would imply scum didn't fakeclaim anything beyond VT from your perspective if you're town.

First of all, just because I defend someone doesn't mean I townread them. And even if I did (and I do townread Rick, not sure about PP), that doesn't mean that "from my perspective" they can't be scum. I'm not gonna claim that my reads are GOOD in a game I replaced into so late.

Also, you forgot Titus. Titus could be scum.

[Something_Smart]

I think Vorky may be town but beyond that not really. Like I said my preference among the VT's would be the two who jumped on Mumble at the start of the day (A50 and PM) though obviously that changes if PP flips scum.

[Rick Dalton]

S_S, you've defended Rick and PP/Mumble. That would imply scum didn't fakeclaim anything beyond VT from your perspective if you're town.

First of all, just because I defend someone doesn't mean I townread them. And even if I did (and I do townread Rick, not sure about PP), that doesn't mean that "from my perspective" they can't be scum. I'm not gonna claim that my reads are GOOD in a game I replaced into so late.

Also, you forgot Titus. Titus could be scum.

Such a me response

[Something_Smart]

I resent that comparison.

[PenguinPower]

[The Fonz]

S_S, you've defended Rick and PP/Mumble. That would imply scum didn't fakeclaim anything beyond VT from your perspective if you're town.

First of all, just because I defend someone doesn't mean I townread them. And even if I did (and I do townread Rick, not sure about PP), that doesn't mean that "from my perspective" they can't be scum. I'm not gonna claim that my reads are GOOD in a game I replaced into so late.

Also, you forgot Titus. Titus could be scum.

Titus isn't scum. I'm basically certain based on the whole roster mod error business.

But this is what I'm trying to get you to think about. If neither of the power claims are scum, it means scum have done something pretty unusual with their claims, there likely isn't any scum power beyond a possible ninja and there's a really high concentration in the vanilla claims.

[Something_Smart]

Why couldn't the slot be a scum rolecop or something? Or a scum tracker, for that matter.

[The Fonz]

Why couldn't the slot be a scum rolecop or something? Or a scum tracker, for that matter.

So I was about to argue this, on the grounds that roster claimed unprompted, stuck to his guns even when CCed, and generally acted town, but you're partly right. All that shows is he had genuine role info, not that he is town. Scum tracker doesn't work though. He'd have to be some form of scum rolecop to think he knew for sure VD was not a JOAT. That's risky as hell as any other role.

[Titus]

Surgery went fine. Docs recommend no attention to detail for 24 hours. Excuse sloppiness. Obviously no VCA until Friday minimum.

X-post all games.

[Rick Dalton]

What the damn hell?!

Wait a second.

Chemist died night 2. If you believe Mumble slot is scum, you can’t believe that he was the actual night kill.

I was pushing at Mumble that day, and Chemist was conversing with me.

I think I WAS the kill target. Chemist saved me and died for me with his body guard action.

That’s why the whole “why wasn’t Rick killed?!?” talk has been coming up. Scum tried to kill me, and failed!

[Rick Dalton]

Look back at Chemist-Mumble talk is why. They were paired a lot

[Rick Dalton]

Scum is in the people who pushed that as a reasoning for sure.

[The Fonz]

I don't see a world in which Rick and Mumble/replacement are both town. Leaning Mumble atm. I just remembered that the

other

BG died on a night when Rick was the only claimed PR, which makes Rick look better and Mumble slot worse.

Glad you finally agree with me on something Rick

[Almost50]

I guess I should disagree then, because a game of Mafia can't go smoothly. Amirite?

[The Fonz]

WAIT NO

Jesus Louisus neighborized roster, who said that he claimed to Jesus/Chemist. Chemist then spent lots of D2 being like "Trust me, Roster's a bad vote." Even if Rick was the only claimed PR in thread, Roster was claimed to the guy who died bodyguarding.

Far more likely Chemist was on Roster than Rick N2.

[The Fonz]

Also doesn't strike me as impossible chemist was targeted directly if scum took his "Roster is a bad vote" hints as possible cop results.

[Rick Dalton]

I guess I should disagree then, because a game of Mafia can't go smoothly. Amirite?

Fair. I was just hopeful

[Rick Dalton]

I guess I should disagree then, because a game of Mafia can't go smoothly. Amirite?

Fair. I was just hopeful

I meant to quote Fonz.

[Titus]

What the damn hell?!

Wait a second.

Chemist died night 2. If you believe Mumble slot is scum, you can’t believe that he was the actual night kill.

I was pushing at Mumble that day, and Chemist was conversing with me.

I think I WAS the kill target. Chemist saved me and died for me with his body guard action.

That’s why the whole “why wasn’t Rick killed?!?” talk has been coming up. Scum tried to kill me, and failed!

Please provide evidence for this assertion please. High Titus is asking for help. Ty.

[Titus]

S_S, you've defended Rick and PP/Mumble. That would imply scum didn't fakeclaim anything beyond VT from your perspective if you're town.

First of all, just because I defend someone doesn't mean I townread them. And even if I did (and I do townread Rick, not sure about PP), that doesn't mean that "from my perspective" they can't be scum. I'm not gonna claim that my reads are GOOD in a game I replaced into so late.

Also, you forgot Titus. Titus could be scum.

This serves as a problem as PP Mumble also look bad in my VCA SS.

[VaultDweller]

Until I have time to do a proper analysis, I'll just go with this

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Something_Smart]

Far more likely Chemist was on Roster than Rick N2.

Chemist would only guard roster if he actually roster would die, though, right?