Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[jjh927]

My issue at present is that I have way too many townreads but I'm still not agreeing with anything anyone is saying

[jjh927]

VOTE: jjh

I reread mena's case and I'm inclined to agree, jjh does a good job of crafting narratives about other players but they're logically inconsistent. See also him forgetting about his saying that ep and tl are TvT and then mere hours later casing TL

There were over 24 hours between those posts fwiw

[jjh927]

So yeah, on the PT shit:

Spoiler:

1. You're accusing me of lying about stuff in the PT BEFORE deb actually died. This is actually moronic and you should be able to understand that
2.This should probably indicate to you that me and deb were posting in the pt and on good terms:

Wait there absolutely is something

We set up a means to talk to each other after the PT closed

If we said eels in a post, then the 5th word in every post after that would form a message. The message stops when a post contains the word nana

Deb said hello to me at eod because he could

Leave him alone he is precious like Nana's back hair

We have shaved it as she began to have back problems from the length and weight of the hair.

I trust that you have woven the hair into a fine garment for Nana, yes?

A waste of such a resource would be worthy of the merciless three shoe beating.

She decided to have it made into a nice sweater for one of her favorite pet eels.

You could even say hello if you were to come with me to the old country.

The burden of hospitality is never too great for Nana.

3: I can reveal what deb's information is if it would help because mastina can confirm it but it won't help at all

Wow, this is an amazing use of the PT! It's a pity DEB died before you guys could actually use it.

TD and I didn't use our PT very well, it seems.

VOTE: jjh

I reread mena's case and I'm inclined to agree, jjh does a good job of crafting narratives about other players but they're logically inconsistent. See also him forgetting about his saying that ep and tl are TvT and then mere hours later casing TL

I'll admit that I didn't read Mena's case in it's entirety before now, as I assumed most of it would be drawing on a jjh/EP pairing to prove the case (which I know is false). The case actually brings up good points about jjh + it stands on its own without the scum!EP assumption.

I remember reading jjh's insistence on scum!Korina at twilight + thinking that was a bit weird, but I forgot about it shortly after.

VOTE: jjh

How does EP make both of these posts

[Elbirn]

VOTE: jjh

I reread mena's case and I'm inclined to agree, jjh does a good job of crafting narratives about other players but they're logically inconsistent. See also him forgetting about his saying that ep and tl are TvT and then mere hours later casing TL

There were over 24 hours between those posts fwiw

You
Are
Correct

I did not mean to tell a fib, I really thought they were hours apart and not a whole day I forgot, sorry

[Elbirn]

(Its still inconsistent and I do not like that you didn't take into account what you had previously thought on the subject)(see also again ep vs tl)

[jjh927]

I mean, I don't tend to look for things that make me think people are towny when I decide to case someone

[jjh927]

But honestly I'd completely forgotten that that thing actually happened

[Elbirn]

It did mostly hinge on Korina!scum at the time. It was a fairly lazy scumread; if Korina was scum, TL was absolutely scum. I did not need to do more thinking. Then, Korina flipped town and I did some more thinking, alongside asking deb about reads. I do have more scepticism on TL, yeah. I think you might want to reread some shit.

What made TL scum if Korina was scum? If you've already detailed this elsewhere just link a post, but I really want to know what was so damning about a TL/Korina connection that you would rely on a preflip association so strongly with no additional thought necessary

[jjh927]

Here's a little compilation

I don't think the eth0s/korina interaction strongly implicates either as scum

Either way I don't think Korina is worth voting right now.

yeah this is why Korina is potentially scum... doesn't mean Korina is guiltied scum

"Korina flubbed his role claim" does not equal "Korina is confirmed scum"

Even then powerlynching Korina is a bad move, and I wouldn't be surprised you're scum jjh....

VOTE: jjh927

pedit: actually yeah that's a good point but Korina is untouchable until LYLO

Let me rephrase; why would something that you can recognise as stupidly implausible influence your actions

because I believe it's much more possible that Korina is town flagbearing town... and saying Korina is scum flagbearing scum doesn't mean we're limited to two boxes of possibility.

For the record, I'm inclined to believe Korina is town flagbearing town right now.

more points to "korina can't roleclaim properly"... skimming Korina's ISO pings me null-town

I will refrain from scumreading Korina as Korina is effectively V/LA today

[Elbirn]

So if I understand correctly

Day 1, all of those posts were indicative of TL scum if Korina scum
Day 2, all of those posts are indicative of TL scum not wanting to be on a mislynch per your TL case

Yes?

[jjh927]

Yeah pretty much

It's just generally weird how he was so hesitant to vote there but didn't give any good reasons, and even acknowledged at least one given reason as ridiculous

[jjh927]

Your next line is

"But that means it didn't hinge on Korina!scum!"

[jjh927]

Going through the pt with deb again

Here's a picture with all of my picks in it

Spoiler:

Can you guess which one I got as a role PM?

Spoiler: Answer

[Elbirn]

Your next line is

"But that means it didn't hinge on Korina!scum!"

I mean if it did you would have stopped scumreading him when korina flipped town

I won't be pedantic about it, whatever, TL was being weird about the wagon. You've changed your mind about why. I'm not sure if you're town and updating your analysis based on what happened and TL is scummy for different reasons now or if you're scum keeping your analysis the same and twisting the events to suit the narrative that you want to push.

If that made sense and wasn't word salad that is

[Elbirn]

Deb didn't like Elbirn that much
He thought mastina was pretty towny
He had a fairly strong EP townread, I think based on meta
Elements was hard to describe and probably town

He could see TL scum

Rolf didn't like me? I thought we were pals

Mastina is town. She is disengaged but putting effort in to stay afloat. Once again, why is the push here on weird wordy shit when you can see her thought processes? The timing of that catchup blob might be jarring but it's town af. Please disregard any ill feelings you have towards that being the content we got from mastina at eod1 in lieu of real time conversation, and tell me whether that's faked for towncred and relevancy or mastina's real thought process while trying to come back into the game.

You've insisted on a townread of mastina but this is the closest I've found in your iso to a reason why, and its uh...still not a reason why. Not really explained that is.

What made her catchup blob "town af"? I came away with the opposite feeling and her content D2 has been nothing.

Like why in general townread mastina?

[jjh927]

You were his first response to me asking about reads, saying his big thought was about you and that he didn't like how you were trying to pocket me so hard

[jjh927]

I'm gonna be honest, I feel like anything I say about mastina's meta will be disagreed with by mastina

[Chemist1422]

I don't like the progression of this wagon on jjh

It seems to have gone from a tinfoil into a full-on thing in a weird way

[jjh927]

I'm having trouble quantifying a lot of exactly what I'm townreading there and why it is town specifically for mastina, cross-referencing against that one game I've played against her scumgame where I thought she was town because she claimed a very pro-town role that was very leashable to the point where claiming it as scum would be very poor play

But I'm pretty sure she's town

I guess a lot of it is how much adds up with regards to when and why she does the catchup, and what it achieves for her more than anything else. Admittedly, there may well be some of my desire for mastina to be town here slipping in. I realise I may have just typed out a whole lot of nothing, but whatever

[jjh927]

Honestly, Chemist, I think EP's vote is the most suspect

He was against the case, then 2 more people vote, then suddenly he sees merit to it

[jjh927]

I think it's also kinda weird that he didn't vote TL after my case or engage with said case in any way

[Chemist1422]

Honestly, Chemist, I think EP's vote is the most suspect

He was against the case, then 2 more people vote, then suddenly he sees merit to it

Why do you sound like you're trying to get me to this read instead of pushing it yourself?

[jjh927]

I can do both

It's generally a good thing to bounce ideas off of town and there's still a pretty good chance you're sane

[Elbirn]

I'm having trouble quantifying a lot of exactly what I'm townreading there and why it is town specifically for mastina, cross-referencing against that one game I've played against her scumgame where I thought she was town because she claimed a very pro-town role that was very leashable to the point where claiming it as scum would be very poor play

But I'm pretty sure she's town

I guess a lot of it is how much adds up with regards to when and why she does the catchup, and what it achieves for her more than anything else. Admittedly, there may well be some of my desire for mastina to be town here slipping in. I realise I may have just typed out a whole lot of nothing, but whatever

Yeah I don't see how mastina making a particular scumplay in a different game has anything to do with her alignment or your thought process here at all.

If your answer to the question "why do you townread Mastina" is "I just do" then I would super duper appreciate you taking the time to flesh out this particular read.

I think it's also kinda weird that Espresso Patronum [sic] didn't vote TL after my case or engage with said case in any way

Is this not true of most of the player list?

[jjh927]

It would be except he posted around it somewhat