Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[mastina]

I still think Krazy is scum bc no one will tell me how Krazy scumhunts and tunneling the bg is not town town motivated.

Krazy scumhunts by actually scumhunting, something which he has basically not done outside of largely omgus scumreads on those scumreading him.

[mastina]

"LLD, regardless of her alignment, is a distraction"
Not mindmeld. Literal opposite of the truth when literally clearly Pine preferred for us to focus on Firebringer.

Oh? Do tell.
Because it's pretty fucking apparent I was right. LLD was, regardless of her alignment, exactly that--a distraction from Firebringer.

going hard against jjh and Aristophanes, so she's at least twice as bad as I was with my day 1 reads, that delves deeper into some probabilistic concerns.

Why does being wrong = being scum, again?

Because of the conviction behind the push?

Want me to link to you the pushes I've made in recent towngames?

Wanna guess how many hard pushes I made against town in them?

The comment on LLD/xofelf is super partnery.

Yeah there's a small problem with that. Who was it that Aristophanes desperado'd? And who is it that you're accusing me of having a super-partnery "I see the logic but am not convinced it's right" about?

Let's see if you can figure out the issue with your point there.

"I see the logic, I'm not convinced it's actually right"? What does that even mean?

Simple, really.
Just because a case is good and uses sound logic does not mean the case is correct.
Just because you have good reasons does not mean the read is accurate.
I saw the logic, saw it was good, saw the reasoning, could follow the thought process from start to finish.
I wasn't sure it was actually correct in spite of being able to see the train of thought.

[mastina]

and I see actual attempts to solve in Mastina's ISO and none in Krazy's

^This.

[mastina]

The slip is still a slip btw, even if it weren't her reaction was paradigmatic of "CAUGHT BUT BAD REASON" pattern of argument.

You keep saying it was and yet you fucking ignored all my posts going over why it wasn't because by your own fucking logic no it fucking wasn't one.

Want me to actually requote all of the shit you ignored when I raised the points the first time?

[mastina]

Really confused about you acting like you're the only possible lynch today.

Because I don't think that chennisden is getting lynched (and I question if it'd even be a good idea), I don't think we're going to get another wagon going, and even if we somehow did, that wagon would probably fall apart at the last minute during a time period I am unaround to defend myself.

So yes, I don't see any way this day doesn't end in a mastina mislynch.

Do you?

[mastina]

It was claiming bodyguard which put me under fucking suspicion. Not vice-versa.

Yeah it would be a lot easier to read you accurately if you didn't make antitown unprompted roleclaims that have contradicted universally accepted and understood correct townplay for the whole decade or what have you you've been on site thank you so much.

Saying it was antitown won't magically make it so since you are ascribing your personal philosophy to the subject ignoring what mine is.

[Titus]

Mastina, I'm dead aren't I?

[mastina]

Voting a claimed bodyguard is a good way to avoid hitting Ali's masons all the time so hey would you look at that.

Voting a claimed bodyguard is also a good way to avoid hitting scum because wouldn't you know it? Scum don't fucking claim bodyguard. That's not something specific to me, mastina, either, though is also the case. Scum don't claim bodyguard onsite period. You can find them claiming bodyguard, sure--but for every example of scum claiming bodyguard you'll find at least ten instances of towns mislynching their fucking bodyguard thinking it was a scum bodyguard. Because just statistically speaking realistically speaking 98+% of bodyguard claims aren't from scum and 99.9999999999999%+ of scum fakeclaims aren't bodyguard.

[Titus]

Really confused about you acting like you're the only possible lynch today.

Because I don't think that chennisden is getting lynched (and I question if it'd even be a good idea), I don't think we're going to get another wagon going, and even if we somehow did, that wagon would probably fall apart at the last minute during a time period I am unaround to defend myself.

So yes, I don't see any way this day doesn't end in a mastina mislynch.

Do you?

You vote Chenn? Even if you hate it? I tried Krazy. I couldn't get it to go. It exposed half the scumteam but we'll have to restart tomorrow.

[mastina]

Mastina does your role pm imply you'll die if your target is strongman killed?

I mean.

I literally quoted my role PM inthread so you can take a look at it yourself:

Hello, mastina! I'm Jingle and I'm here to welcome you to Alisae's Revenge! You're a

Bodyguard Loyal Retainer

to the rightful Lord of the Land, Alisae. Unfortunately, the wicked tree that controls the Dark Forest has been acting up, causing insurrections left and right. Alisae has called an end to this nonsense, and is preparing to ride forth. Some of my messages have been compromised, however, and a few among you were recruited by the terrible monster to put an end to our quest before it even begins!

We must purge our party of those who have no loyalty, or we shall surely fail.

Abilities:

(Bodyguard)

Each night, you may target a player. Any attempts to kill that player will fail. If you successfully prevent a kill this way, you will die instead.

The town win condition is: You win when all of Pine's minions have been killed.

The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80863

That's the role PM in full, so you can analyze it for yourself. On the one hand, it does say

any

attempts to kill, but on the other hand, it says

If

I

successfully

prevent a kill that way which would imply I could be unsuccessful in some way shape or form. I can't tell you what Jingle's ruling is

for sure

, but I mean...if we're going by Normal role PM standards...bodyguard wouldn't be able to stop a strongman.

[Firebringer]

Someone pls shut mastina up

[mastina]

How do you know it was Ali? I got a message with no signature and no indication of who it was, and pops claims to have gotten a message that was signed by Pine. Was yours signed?

Well for a start if Pine were sending the message I expect it to be obvious it was Pine and even if not:
If the protection plan didn't originate from Alisae, then Ali would've said so in-thread. Since e has not, it is safe to assume that, yes, Ali did send the plan to me.

[mastina]

I think what this game is really missing
Is mastina analyzing her own meta

That wasn't me analyzing my own meta.

That was me explaining why Krazy is fucking scum.

Try reading the fucking posts again.

[Firebringer]

I think what this game is really missing
Is mastina analyzing her own meta

That wasn't me analyzing my own meta.

That was me explaining why Krazy is fucking scum.

Try reading the fucking posts again.

90% of it is ur own meta

[mastina]

Anyway now that we've had another three pages of self-serving mastina wallposts can we lynch her now? I could refute her points but I'm pretty sure no one wants to read it anymore than they want to read her original posts themselves.

AKA, "mastina is dead on the money and I can't refute her because she's right on everything".

[popsofctown]

Firebringer is it true that you're really good at reading mastina and you scumread her right now? Because I townread you so far. So that would mean it's a good idea.

[mastina]

Her reads list is wildly political at this point but do what you want

Uh huh.
Yeah sure.
Guess how often the argument of "her reads list is political" has panned out.

You'd know, you modded a game where scum used it against me and were in a game where a player used it against me.

[mastina]

Why is flagrantly violating your stances as scum not a good thing

Because those stances have been established from 11 fucking years of playing mafia and are based in damn fucking good experience, backed by my fundamental personality, my core beliefs, along with my viewpoint on the world and have rooting in my autistic tendencies and come from the mindset of my viewpoint on the world?

Because I have literally 500+ non-marathon games on mafiascum where these stances haven't been broken and the argument of "you could have magically chosen to broken them this game" never has an answer as to why now?

[popsofctown]

Is your argument that you have a trust tell about claiming bodyguard as scum?

That's kind of gross.

[mastina]

Here is a brilliant idea
we can lynch
penguinpower
because that slot has done just about as much nothing as chennisden and no one is talking about it because it just started to play the game

Ali I would love to support you here. Can you get a wagon going there? If you did I'd actually join you there. <3

[mastina]

Mastina, I'm dead aren't I?

Considering once I'm fucking lynched there's nothing stopping the scum from just outright killing you?

Yep, pretttty much.

[mastina]

Someone pls shut mastina up

You can shut me up real easily!

By dismantling the wagon on me.

No joke that works wonders to shut me up.

A lynch on me won't because hey guess what I'm town so after I'm lynched I'll be continuing to post my thoughts as much as is humanly possible so I don't actually shut up after I hang. Not for an extra 24 hours.

[mastina]

Is your argument that you have a trust tell about claiming bodyguard as scum?

That's kind of gross.

This is not the first time that accusation has been leveled at me this game!

Try actually fucking reading my posts to find where I answered it the first time--I'd quote it for you but I legit want to challenge you to prove you're actually fucking reading my posts because if you're actually fucking reading my posts then you can find it on your own.

[popsofctown]

Mastina, I'm dead aren't I?

Considering once I'm fucking lynched there's nothing stopping the scum from just outright killing you?

Yep, pretttty much.

oh hey look
mastina is scumslipping about whether this game has a conftown slot
and forgetting that for the rest of us our "townreads" aren't conftown

mastina AtE for another 3 pages
to compensate for this

this might be drunkpops depends how you measure

[mastina]

Going to make one final post for the night since I am caught up, but in the mean time I'm going to fill this up with filler.

Fun fact.
I posted, what, 27 times on D1 and 27 times on D2 for exactly 54 times? I think that's what I said. That or 29 times on D1 and 29 times on D2 for exactly 58, one of the two.
Regardless of which tho. (Let's assume the 58.)
278+ / 58 = 4.793103448275862.
I've over quadrupled the size of my iso this day phase.