Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Wisdom]

I dont see what would be wrong with nacho? Id like him not dying n1

He wont die if he's scum!

and you think hes scum because?

I never said that.

then what did you say
Why do you agree with nacho not baton passed

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

As an additional note, if we're not planning all the baton passes as a group together we're wasting the potential town equity of this setup.

Let's not do this please

why

[Oh]

How does it give more info exactly?

[Dannflor]

Sakura is probably an inefficient vote

Explain.

[Wisdom]

Your vote seems to be driven by not wanting nacho to die because he's nacho, and not because of you thinking he's aligned with town or you're scum.

My vote is irrelevant to you agreeing with nacho being in a list of "not baton pass these people"

[Celestial Coordinates]

As an additional note, if we're not planning all the baton passes as a group together we're wasting the potential town equity of this setup.

Let's not do this please

we're 100% doing it.

How does it give more info exactly?

I'm not giving up on the ability to more reliably eliminate scum in the name of "information"
you deduce information by the players who want other players removed.

[Sakura Hana]

Why do you agree with nacho not baton passed

Now that's a better question.
Because I think Nacho's a good scum player and he probably wont die over RC if both are town anyway.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

How does it give more info exactly?

i dont think it's about the info but more of the stablility

[Dannflor]

How does it give more info exactly?

people are forced to give more reads before the night phase, puts more emphasis on day play

[Oh]

And no I'm not going to be leashed to a target, I will choose someone I think is town because I'm not interested in the entire game being about the setup

This shit is how towns get to endgame and realize that there really isn't enough there to reliably fish out the last scum.

It's a TRAP.

[Dannflor]

It’s not about leashing it’s just about everyone voicing their opinion.

[Wisdom]

if scum aren't terrible theyll 100% kill nacho over rc
rc is negative utility if used correctly

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

not sure what GIF thinks of CC yet but I told him I somewhat town read that slot so he may or may not agree

[Sakura Hana]

Also i just realized you're asking me about "being baton passed" not "first round baton holder" which is what i was saying, i dont mind Nacho being baton passed i just mind him being NK immune N1 just on the reasoning of "because he's nacho".

[Oh]

Best case scenario, build a townblock and all agree to pass to each other first, then free for all

[Celestial Coordinates]

if scum aren't terrible theyll 100% kill nacho over rc
rc is negative utility if used correctly

do you have data to support this hypothesis

[Wisdom]

you deduce information by the players who want other players removed.

yo
lets make nacho bp
yes/no

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

you deduce information by the players who want other players removed.

yo
lets make nacho bp
yes/no

im not blindly following some guy who hasn't even posted yet

[Wisdom]

if nacho is "some guy" to you then i wasnt talking to you

[Celestial Coordinates]

Best case scenario, build a townblock and all agree to pass to each other first, then free for all

if you're going to do this then you're out of the chain.
this setup is ludicrously townsided if we play it properly: town essentially only needs 5 correct townreads to win the game if we play it mathematically.
we give scum a billion times more maneuvering room if we allow them to control who lives and who dies and essentially give them control over more nightkills

[Celestial Coordinates]

i think this entire question is really stupid because we're going to get shot n1 if we're not the original baton and as a result the baton is a meaningless question and we're better off deciding which 3 players we're removing in the first phase.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

if nacho is "some guy" to you then i wasnt talking to you

I would call anyone else "some person" if they haven't posted. I'm familiar with who Nacho is.

[Sakura Hana]

So Wisdom if nacho is 100% getting shot over RC, then if RC gets shot N1 what does that tell you.
If Nacho's BP you cant gleam info from that.

[Oh]

Ok RC leave us out then, I'm not letting you leash me.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Ok RC leave us out then, I'm not letting you leash me.

if all the other players who understand how mafia works agree with me that it's incredibly anti-town not to have a lynch chain agreed on support me will you go along or are you just refusing to play this in the optimal way for town