Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[Morality]

i'm referring to the vex persona specifically

fair wrt site lag

(i didn't have internet access for a couple of days and i think i came back at the very end of the site lag)

i can wait a bit
UNVOTE:

if mortality is town ben probably is too

I am town, Ben is likely not. He’s pushing the most surface level stuff this game so he is scum or incredibly surface level town. Why do you say he’s probably not scum?

[Morality]

how? how are you confirmed after morality red?

There are like 20 different plays we could pull if we rolled scum together and 0 of them involve bussing.

Fair, but bussing hard and then getting the wagon to fizzle would be pretty decent, but i don’t think we’d go that path ever really. Just so much easier to not bus.

[Morality]

Morality is the 2nd lynch option today because it to me a morality's play is NAI because it just is and lynching there wouldn't give us any info, regardless of alignment.

By 2nd lynch option, I mean more like a Plan B if we can't get another wagon going. So I have no interest in lynching there.

This is what I don't really understand about you. You always bring Morality up as the alternative to tris and asks her in #125 what would make her more town than Morality. And now you say Morality's play so far was nai and it would be a lynch with no useful information (disagree, he is the most active player here and is dominating the thread in either way, there are enough associations imo). So aren't you scumreading Morality to begin with? Then why is no one else the Plan B? Or are you simply seeing him as compromise lynch because he is the wagon with the most votes atm?

That's it basically.

If Morality flips town you can't SR others on the wagon because of his wild play today.

If he flips scum then hooray we get a dead scum on D1 but it won't help us come D2, imo.

This is where I’m at right now.

Yeah, LUV would know. He’s been scum with Morality twice.

Once, I was scumMorality, and I claimed LUV was my partner before going down, and then nobody would touch him after it, and we won the game post my death.

[Morality]

I’m just gonna write Ben’s name in my death note tonight.

[tris]

I am anti-mindmelding with much of 318

[tris]

Spoiler: responses to 318

I have no sleep schedule and posted just after I woke up, then went back to double check and corrected myself.

What I don't get is, say you are right and I'm scum and this is all theatre. What's the progression - fake getting confused about something to try and get someone off my back, which might or might not have worked, then immediately draw attention to the inconsistency? Even if we get into WIFOM stuff I don't see how that's a good scum play.

pedit: First post I was confirming that I didn't think it was RVS. Second post I stated when I thought it was cos I thought it might help explain where I was on the game. How is stating that I don't think we are in RVS and when it happened the same thing?

it doesnt have to be a good scumplay for you to do it. scum has several goals they wanna do, with no clear method as to how to arrive there. one of the greatest tricks scum will employ is creating chaos. doesnt matter what the point of the chaos is, it just exists and makes the game harder to read and makes towns job so much harder. even if ur scum, you could still pull that off.

how does saying that you were mistaken about something cause chaos?

LUV is right, if nothing I can say will convince him then it's better not to waste more thread space for that. Along with the tone of his push on me in general he gets town points for that.

I like Morality's read on tris's posting and her defending me gets me a bit paranoid about her trying to create associatives with me to set up a mislynch, or buddying me - especially cos Morality has already suggested a potential connection between us.

Feeling flip floppy on Vex cos I too would like to hear why BEF unvoted, and especially why they didn't vote somewhere else, but still don't like his response to pressure or early vote.

Vex hasn't made it back to null for me just yet but I have more uncertainty there than VOTE: tris

i kinda dont like this post in general. read on me feels weird and the tris vote, while i agree with it, feels extremely weird to me.

i townread that post. the paranoia on me felt real.

"Bah gawd, is that Flavour Leaf's music. Wait, no, who is this, it's Moraaaaality!"

Just really like the idea of alts as different wrestling personas. Also after reading a few games I was kinda bummed not to be playing with you and didn't realise this was an alt. All in all what I'm trying to say is ... can I have your autograph.

Fanning aside ...

VOTE: morality

i suppose this means i am released from voting the fish

VOTE: morality

RCEnigma’s vote is fine, these are garbage.

Yeah, gotta say I'm happy with my tris vote when this happened after. Somebody gonna explain this wagon or..?

wtf is this post?
"oh look, its someone i like and im gonna post something completely off topic. anyways my vote on tris is good, but will someone explain why?"

i think you're misreading here. the wagon they wanted explained was the wagon on morality

the problem with that is that i'm town

But everyone would say that.

What makes you more town than Morality. Because from where I'm at the lynch is looking to be between the 2 of you today.

good post for the point of the game we're in.

i have the opposite reaction. i think saying that the lynch is going to come down to me and morality is way too premature for this point in the day.

what makes me more scum than the others?

yes. are you somehow confused about that?

what? that wasn't a yes or no question.

honestly this whole sequence is bad.

I’m just kidding I won’t be conf town. I’m sorry, I’m trolling. Sorry, sorry.

I’m sorry. I’m messing around.

I haven’t been town on this account in a couple years, I don’t remember how to act. You must forgive me.

VOTE: morality

i suppose this means i am released from voting the fish

VOTE: morality

RCEnigma’s vote is fine, these are garbage.

Exactly, this is a town case on me.

Sorry, I’m too good at scum to be scum here. Simple as that. Scum me would never have something you can point out this early as garbage.

Also, it’s early game, and you’re assuming I’m taking these hard stances straight up.

I purposefully went ham this game early to draw reactions like this from people.

And you lot fell for it.

There is 100% scum within Tris, DDL, and RCE. Possibly more than 1.

i kinda feel like this is a bit wifomy, but i can agree with the readlist at the bottom.
personally i dont like the wifom part.

i of course disagree with that list. i know i'm town, and i think rce is town.

UNVOTE: Tris

Just want to make sure I did that before I forgot. I only voted tris as a random, don't want to be looped into a bandwagon I'm not behind.

Leaning toward the Morality vote though. The post are coming off as defensive/deflective than something a townie would do.

"Hey look at me, this is totally not how I act when I'm scum!" is very.. very.. scummy to me.

wrt to tris uv, dont really like the explanation. it feels forced and mechanical to me.
also if u find morality scummy, why not vote them?

if he's voting a wagon he doesn't believe in, why wouldn't he unvote?

Ugh, apologies, I just got my new internet access. Not that it helps, because this site is so godawful slow it's hardly playable. Have literally opened all pages in tabs, work without quotes and will just try to cover as much as I can until I ragequit.

I feel a bit iffy about tris on the first two pages, I have trouble with understanding the sequence of her reads/posts. On one hand she has no problem with joining Vex on Salad for his vote switching (temporarily) but once RCE comes around and calls Vex scum she calls RCE town. It feels off, but I don't know how to describe it. Like in comparision I get Mizzy who had the same observation about Vex like RCE and started voting Vex, while tris just says RCE is town without implying any reason and moves on with voting BEF as she seemingly didn't share the suspicion on Vex? What was the thought process here?

I don't like BEF's opening either for similar reasons. His opening felt a bit lazy with leaning town on RCE without participating in anything that happened so far, it looks a bit like trying to fit in with agreeing on the current consensus townlean. Him just backing off his random vote when Mizzy asked him about it looked weird. I don't know why he even bothered?

For the record it's not that I disagree about a townlean on RCE. I have the same tendency about him, but I felt that interaction with Vex was too early for that as Vex could as well just have been an easy target with his try-hard approach to gain some early towncred. I think RCE's handling of his Morality scumread is more town indicative here.

i kinda like this post on the surface, but i had to re-read it a couple of times. upon deeper reading, i kinda feel neutral about it. the bottom feels a bit different and like skellen is trying to create an out.

what is she creating an out for? there's no points against RCE there. it's just that she wouldn't have townread RCE at that point yet.

I don't like benhalkum either. His first post comes in with an excusing tone that he is not lurking and then later he unvotes his random vote and leans on a Morality vote as he finds his behaviour scummy. So why doesn't he vote Morality then? It's not that he is asking Morality any questions either, so...? Gives me a bad impression so far.

VOTE: benhalkum

mindmelding with this post. skellen is probably town imo.

this seems like an easy read to have. nothing that significant to have mindmelded over.

I feel a bit iffy about tris on the first two pages, I have trouble with understanding the sequence of her reads/posts. On one hand she has no problem with joining Vex on Salad for his vote switching (temporarily)

this is because i wanted to hear salad's explanation for his vote switch. when i was satisfied with the answer, i moved off.

but once RCE comes around and calls Vex scum she calls RCE town. It feels off, but I don't know how to describe it. Like in comparision I get Mizzy who had the same observation about Vex like RCE and started voting Vex, while tris just says RCE is town without implying any reason and moves on with voting BEF as she seemingly didn't share the suspicion on Vex? What was the thought process here?

my townread of RCE was not just because he scumread Vex, but because of the way presented it. the fact that he was thinking about it from the perspective of looking back at the read after the game's over is something that makes more sense from a town mindset. i also didn't vote for vex because i had been instructed to vote for BEF

Pedit: ok

ok why are you voting bef because u were instructed to do it? why not vote for whoever you find scummy, in this case me?

i hadn't reached a read on you yet actually. i might have voted you for pressure, but i would have felt bad for so quickly abandoning dolittle.

- his opening push on salad was shallow and bad
- he likes playing town and tends to avoid posting as scum. Like town!him enjoys catching up and i think would have done it last night, over complaining over how many pages were produced. Scum!him feels catching up is a chore, and this is the attitude i see in 278

Pedit: @luv, regarding vex

The first point is valid but I buy the sincerity of his thoughts. Vex’s case may have been illogical but I just got the feeling that he believed what he what was saying when he was explaining why he pushed Salad.

The site was still lagging a bit last night so I’m not sure if you can fault him for not wanting to.

i like this post. its hitting on my thoughtprocess pretty well.

what thought processes? LUV wasn't describing any thought processes of yours. He just said that he thought you believed what you were saying.

[tris]

Spoiler: i would like to call attention to this bit for BEF to respond to

the problem with that is that i'm town

But everyone would say that.

What makes you more town than Morality. Because from where I'm at the lynch is looking to be between the 2 of you today.

good post for the point of the game we're in.

i have the opposite reaction. i think saying that the lynch is going to come down to me and morality is way too premature for this point in the day.

[DrDolittle]

I’m a Jailkeeper. Take it for what you will.

That’s why I faked the BP, so i could make the comment if I stopped a kill.

godforbid im actually reading, but this was the post that pinged the first time, and is pinging again.

why do you want to claim bp when you stop a kill?

[tris]

@bob in a game i moderated, you had a lot of misspellings. why don't you anymore?

[DrDolittle]

also i fucking hate it when you goad me to vote you, we've done this before

And guess what

I WAS TOWN

you were scum, but feel free to try again

man in this thread you have been wrong more than right on your own meta.

[tris]

oh, i meant to do this.

VOTE: vex

[DrDolittle]

Honestly I don’t even really care about Day 1 beyond not lynching a potentially strong town player because I find that scum win rates go up when you lynch scum Day 1 - and some players just shouldn't get near LYLO.

So sometimes I just try to make sure no good town players get lynched and push for a lynch on whoever is the most obstructionist or useless, which often enough hits scum anyway because that’s what scum do.

I understand that a majority of you will have a fit about this and construe this as me not caring - it's empirically true though. Day 1 is meaningless and the most important thing is that people interact and you don't lynch some good townie.

tbh big fan of this post

[tris]

why have you been posting less frequently dolittle?

[DrDolittle]

BEF join me on morality

You ask BEF to join you in voting for mory but i cant see anywhere in your iso were you have commented on morality at all. You ask other to join your vote yet you havent posted any reason why you are voting for him


Looks to me like your scum just sheeping the latest push of other players

VOTE: DrD

are you kidding lol. look at the 3 posts before the post you linked.

[DrDolittle]

ok im all caught up

[DrDolittle]

here's where i am: I think
RCE, tris, skellen, uzi are town. these are independent of morality.
contrary to skitter, I think vex is at most a null.
not sure who's scum, maybe mizzy? Independently evaluating morality, I don't think its good responding to pressure at all.

[DrDolittle]

@tris: relatively unengaged with this game right now + bummed I lost my last game.

[DrDolittle]

i bought some Osmanthus dessert wine from a seedy mart in chinatown. It's pretty good.

[tris]

i think mizzy's town

[tris]

why is LUV town?

[DrDolittle]

whos luv

[Morality]

What’s LUV got to do with it?

[DrDolittle]

i actually just dont really like mizzy's first 4 posts. Her/his entrance feels just a tad forced.

[DrDolittle]

I’m a Jailkeeper. Take it for what you will.

That’s why I faked the BP, so i could make the comment if I stopped a kill.

godforbid im actually reading, but this was the post that pinged the first time, and is pinging again.

why do you want to claim bp when you stop a kill?

hey morality if you give me a satisfactory answer here I won't vote for u today

[DrDolittle]

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