Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Iconeum]

actually
VOTE: iconeum

i'll bite that pop-in was wolfy af

how is you considering PB for scum based on

timing

not scum?

He literally just said it was funny

he said it wasn't a scum tell even

what?

[the worst]

Actually a bit nervous about LLD. I kinda get she's doing LLD things and the xofcase gets the game firing in a way that I am never surprised to see LLD do but it's also kind of just.... noise.... like I am aware she doesn't expect anyone ever to take that case seriously and I'm not sure it's actually productive/does anything to solve the game

very much consistent with LLD scum m.o. but I think I can also see it come from LLD who saw something and wanted to kick up some noise about it to get a conversation going. but it was way too soon and not conducive to a valuable conversation so did she do it just to look like she's solving the game?

food for thought. I'm scared of LLD so I'll observe cautiously.

Actually just had another scroll through her ISO and fuckit
VOTE: jjh

Scum!Krazy jumping on the LLD wagon since the beginning before I posted endorsing it?
Idunno dude, I’m not exactly sure about that.

decent point, krazy / LLD didn't feel aligned

duck is talking about how openwolfing LLD has been D1, but if you read his D1 ISO I don't really get that.

His 'mastina is now outside of scumrange' doubleback today on posts made when he decided this, is also unlike town duck i've seen.
I don't like his Maria vote.
I don't like his calling out of PB's scumminess based on activity and timing of all things. Like seriously, who here believes the worst has an honest scumread on PB 'because he posted within half an hour of someone calling PB out'?

you're telling me you think i softly shaded a way ott powerwolfing scumbuddy in 1070 then decided to help her try and start up her wagon in 1071

and you think this is... more likely than me thinking she might be scum but not really being sure and helping kick off the jjh wagon to see how the gamestate evolved


just noting after this that i went and enjoyed the lovely sunshine of santorini, came back and saw she was caught and openwolfing : ]

3398 is something i agreed with at face value and is something i've reevaluated and don't really think is all that anti-associative anymore

mastina read - i changed my mind through night phase
maria vote - i've been overwhelmingly transparent
i explicitly didn't call PB scummy for beetlejuice. i said it was hilarious how every time i've seen someone mention his invisibility, he appears within half an hour. i then asked him for his reads and said i'd engage with him in good faith

you're not tryna sort my alignment here dragon pal

[Alisae]

his day 2 and 3 catchups aren't town catchups

yeah my guy
this phrasing is super strong and makes you look vry townie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lul

vote this

[Dannflor]

Town catch up posts don't look like Ico's. He's going down the list and commenting on irrelevant things going "I like this," "I don't like this," and asking empty questions. Town catch up posts actually draw conclusions that aren't as forced as his read on the worst are.

Ico, where are the rest of your reads at right now? Just basic scum reads and town reads you don't have to go into everyone

[Dannflor]

his day 2 and 3 catchups aren't town catchups

yeah my guy
this phrasing is super strong and makes you look vry townie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lul

vote this

cool?

[Iconeum]

PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate

okay so it's not calling him scum directly but it's still shading based on timing

[the worst]

ali can you look at ico for a sec here? i'm not gonna go deep into confbias deathtunnel mode but he's literally cherrypicking out of my ISO to support an agenda without paying attention to context and it just /looks/ exactly like a bad mislynch case

[Dannflor]

his day 2 and 3 catchups aren't town catchups

oh please

if they aren't town

they are scum

what did I accomplish for my team with those posts then?

i mean yeah

that's what I'm saying

not town catchups = scum catch ups

sorry if that wasn't direct enough for you

You accomplished being vaguely town read enough to stay off of people's radars. they helped you stay afloat

[the worst]

PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate

I just left my gf's house, it's 2.50 am, I'm making up in 4 hours to go to work, get to the thread and first thing I see is Titus post. If I were scum I would be more careful with the Beetlejuice thing but I don't give a fuck, I don't want to be scumread for my activity 'cause I've explained my lack of presence since the begining of the game

like i said, i don't even think it's a valuable tell. it's just funny.

The problem with this game is that, as soon as you want to get in and give your opinion on things, the more vocal players jump in and shut you down either by calling you scum or saying that you're underwhelming. What's the motivation to put effort in this? I have my reads, but at this point the only thing I can do to be helpful is to not get mislynched, so do me a solid and don't do that

The problem with this game is that, as soon as you want to get in and give your opinion on things, the more vocal players jump in and shut you down either by calling you scum or saying that you're underwhelming. What's the motivation to put effort in this? I have my reads, but at this point the only thing I can do to be helpful is to not get mislynched, so do me a solid and don't do that

i like, sincerely agree. being active has been demotivating and a pain in the ass.

i'm down to hear you out dude.

talk to me on how you think this is me shading PB

[Iconeum]

you're not tryna sort my alignment here dragon pal

i thought you were scum when reading D4 :s

[Dannflor]

PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate

okay so it's not calling him scum directly but it's still shading based on timing

it's not legitimate shading and it's a stretch to read it like that

[Alisae]

okay but dannflor's push is the scummy one?????????????

[Dannflor]

SS
Gamma

duck

grey (that dude that is married with LLD?)
Titus

These 5 are my top townreads

I don't believe what you got from this day alone was enough to change one of your apparent top town reads.

[the worst]

you're not tryna sort my alignment here dragon pal

i thought you were scum when reading D4 :s

alright then why are you focusing on things that have nothing to do with d4 and missing my intenti
on with every single thing you're talking about?
if you think i'm scum from d4 scumcase my d4 dude

what you're doing is attempting to undermine my credibility - transparently.
it's not good sorting, and i will tear you to pieces for it.

if you think i'm scum show me your thought process in realtime.

[the worst]

okay but dannflor's push is the scummy one?????????????

if ico is town i'll accept chainsawing but i 100% buy the ridiculed response coming from town!dann

ico's minicase of me is literally the wolfiest case i've seen in like. months.

[Iconeum]

PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate

okay so it's not calling him scum directly but it's still shading based on timing

it's not legitimate shading and it's a stretch to read it like that

i read it like that

[Dannflor]

okay but dannflor's push is the scummy one?????????????

you're trying to read me the wrong way

I tend to word things in passive ways even as town just because that's my personality

if im understanding what your problem with my post was correctly

[the worst]

let's pretend i was shading him for a moment, ico:
what's my big evil scum plan via gently shading PB for beetlejuicing in a gamestate where he and i are both unfocused and pseudo-active?

given you townread me up til d4, why do you see this and go "oh man scum!duck's tryna shade poor PB!!"? like what precludes this from just being town!me trying to tickle PB into submission?

your read jumps the shark way too aggressively. if you're seeing something here, i need you to slow down and step me through it.

[Dannflor]

Ico, readslist please, doesn't have to be cohesive

and I need you to explain the process that took you from duck top town read to your main push today

[Dannflor]

and I need you to explain the process that took you from duck top town read to your main push today

because if this was actually a town progression I need to see all the steps it took to get there

What I see from your case is you coming in, deciding you wanted to get on the worst wagon, and constructing your post to get you there

[Alisae]

okay but dannflor's push is the scummy one?????????????

if ico is town i'll accept chainsawing but i 100% buy the ridiculed response coming from town!dann

ico's minicase of me is literally the wolfiest case i've seen in like. months.

how about Dann's vote history just being preettttttttty bad

[the worst]

okay but dannflor's push is the scummy one?????????????

if ico is town i'll accept chainsawing but i 100% buy the ridiculed response coming from town!dann

ico's minicase of me is literally the wolfiest case i've seen in like. months.

how about Dann's vote history just being preettttttttty bad

dann is kinda
not doing anything poignantly AI

so i'll reevaluate him soon sure, but the gamestate isn't very exciting from the pov of trying to get his alignment right

iconeum tried to take a stance
he fell flat on his ass
the three of us are standing over him

the gamestate is excited, and he's at the centre of it - this is the right time to sort him

[Iconeum]

if you think i'm scum show me your thought process in realtime.

no problem

i read the 12ish pages from D4

First I see ducky having a 180 read on Mastina, based on posts made during a time where ducky called mastina 'outside of scumrange'. I know you can change reads, that's not my point. But you are otherwise very adamant on these things, and it's odd to me that you switched your read around when the scumtalk was going on about Mastina, which makes me read it as you setting up a justification for a later vote there.

Your engagement with PB also doesn't fall well with me, and I think it's 'beneath' you to call someone out on timing.
I can see this is a misread by me, but the Mastina read isn't.

[the worst]

poignant/scum-indicative* you know what i mean i'm trying to be poetic

[Iconeum]

given you townread me up til d4, why do you see this and go "oh man scum!duck's tryna shade poor PB!!"? like what precludes this from just being town!me trying to tickle PB into submission?

I'm dropping the PB charges because you were way less aggresive then what was in my mind when going through it.
The mastina read charges still stand. I don't consider a read change scum persé, but it doesn't read like town duck thoughts process that you could say mastina was outside of scumrange but now based off of a post it's suddenly possible again?