Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[Oversoul]

I disagree with the Chemist scum read Nacho and think that you’re scumreading it very odd. You’re nornally good at nuanced reads when it comes to bad town I feel like.

[mastina]

@mastina:

How is Rakan not town from his Oversoul interactions?

What's town about them? I saw hyper-aggression. If I knew who Rakan was maybe I'd be able to judge that hyper-aggression in the context of "oh for Rakan that's town" or "oh for Rakan that's scum" but lacking that knowledge all I can really say is that in isolation nothing about it was town. Would Rakan be my vote if I were interested in genocide/neutral? Oh heck no. (Okay, so I can't outright rule it out, but I can say that almost certainly? Probably not.) But while Rakan's not someone I'm interested in lynching, he's also not someone I see any reason to save, either.

I never played with you before but this doesn't sound like a genuine response from the whole Rakan situation considering you almost completely ignored it until I asked you about it.

HURT: mastina

Why would I address it? I'm town hunting, not scumhunting. Rakan's hyper aggressive posting as far as I know doesn't make him town. So if it doesn't make him town and my priority is townhunting…why WOULD I comment on it? I have no reason to.

[mastina]

I disagree with the Chemist scum read Nacho and think that you’re scumreading it very odd. You’re nornally good at nuanced reads when it comes to bad town I feel like.

Re: Chemist:

If I have been exposed to his scumgame, I don't remember it. (I kinda feel like at some point, I was, but I sure as fuck don't remember it.)

But what I can say is this; this looks like the same Chemist that I have seen in like 3ish give or take town games, and even if I had no such experience, he looks town just from this game alone ignoring meta of his past town games which I think resemble his play here.

The main reason that he's not even stronger town is for precisely the reason I said above: I have never seen what his scumgame is, so I don't know what is personality/playstyle versus what is alignment indicative for him.

[Chemist1422]

Scumgames onsite are Forkbomb, Mini 2092? (whatever nomnomnom's was), Mini 2084, Newbie 1953, Micro 885 and the Magical Girls uPick that recently ended

I was planning on updating my wiki page at some point anyway

[Rakan]

So I never played this mode before so can y'all decide how we approach this and let me know what we do mechanically?

I'd love if somebody talked about the neutral route with me

I'm in favor of going 2-2. 3 spares is not enough flips to be useful - not particularly different from the pacifist route if we go there and I guarantee we can spare two people and not hit scum/hit scum with two lynches (and if we can't, we were prolly gonna lose no matter how we played).

I've also come around to Ginngie and Nymph town. Ginngie high posts spoke to my soul and Nymph's mechanics posts felt like a genuine lost.

If we go 2-2 without lynching mafia, but have mafia in the spared group, then we lose

[popsofctown]

Spare Votecount 1.7

Nachomamma8 -

Elements ------

(1)

Rakan

chennisden ----

(2)

Chemist1422, mastina

mastina --------

Ginngie --------

(1)

Ginngie

Xayah -

Oversoul ------

Rakan ----------

(2)

Wisdom, Nymph

Wisdom --------

(2)

Elements, Nachomamma8

Chemist1422 -

(2)

chennisden, Oversoul

Nymph -

Not sparing:

- (1) Xayah

Fight Votecount 1.7

Nachomamma8 -

Elements -----

(2)

Oversoul, Chemist1422

chennisden ---

(1)

Elements

mastina ------

(1)

Nymph

Ginngie -------

Xayah -

Oversoul -----

(3)

Rakan, Xayah, Ginngie

Rakan -

Wisdom -

Chemist1422-

(1)

Nachomamma8

Nymph -

Not Fighting:

- (3) chennisden, mastina, Wisdom

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3>3>3>3>3>3>3>3>

Chemist1422 likes the idea of a rowdy game of kick-around-the-snow-orb. "I'm really good at aiming orbs. I agree on no rules, except that you can't use your hands." This doesn't seem particularly fair as Chemist1422 doesn't have any hands, but he begins grinning and tossing snowballs between two evenly spaced trees without touching them. "Eh heh heh" He demonstrates his more violent intents when one of the snowballs pegs a bird's nest.

With eleven alive, it takes six votes on one option to make a decision

(expired on 2019-10-17 17:06:42)

[Rakan]

So I think we should go 3-1, with the 3 being the spares, unless we lynch mafia with our first lynch

[Rakan]

There are a lot of people I'd be willing to spare today (with the train of thought that town =- spare)

Wisdom, Xayah, Nymph, maybe ginngie and, maybe nacho - oh and myself

Chemist and chennis are below my own confidence threshhold for people I want to spare and I don't want to do that, do people have a good argument for why we should do that?

Thoughts?

[chennisden]

You should spare me because I'm town wow

[chennisden]

Also fat um on chemist slot

I don't feel the same aura that I usually do about Chemist?

HEAL: chennis

[chennisden]

The way the oversoul wagon formed is bleck

[chennisden]

A more direct question is the (fuck whats the word we use) retaliation vote by Elements onto Souls and your thoughts in general of Elements starting game voting patterns.

Read it as more of Elements fucking around and acting a bit crazy than it actually being a revenge vote, tbh; his lost #100 read to me like a more like a "hey I'm done trolling now, let's play some mafia" than anything else which is why I find chemist calling him scum to be a bit like sheeping trying to dress it up like something it wasn't.

HURT: Chemist

I was gonna call this a bad read but when I was writing my response I realized you have a point

[chennisden]

also a lot of the content towards rakan feels very appeasy.

[Xayah]

The whole reason the Oversoul vote was a thing was to try and solve the slot. Although he hasn't really done much in that regard. I probably could've asked some questions but right now I'm too lazy.
Nacho is being... Well himself so I'm fine with letting him go through to the next phase
HURT: Chem

I still don't see the value of spare first vs lynch no matter if we go 3-1 or 2-2 lynch is strictly better

[chennisden]

that is objectively right but i have nobody i want to lynch, hence where my vote is.

[Wisdom]

dont see how lynch is better

[Elements]

dont see how lynch is better

flip
but not right now

[Elements]

I think spare, spare, kill. If we kill scum we lynch again if we kill town we spare

[chennisden]

If we're gonna flip someone doing it now gives us info before we spare is her point.

[Elements]

I've never been in a game where the day 1 lynch isn't a town. So lynching this early and flipping a town basically forces us into 3:1. If we spare two first we have a better read on everyone when we get do a lynch.

[chennisden]

I agree we shouldnt lynch yet but only because I have no strong inclinations where to lynch

[Wisdom]

Id lynch xayah if we had to lynch
but id rather spare rakan or chennis or elements

[Ginngie]

I've never been in a game where the day 1 lynch isn't a town. So lynching this early and flipping a town basically forces us into 3:1. If we spare two first we have a better read on everyone when we get do a lynch.

This is bad and you should feel bad

[Rakan]

Id lynch xayah if we had to lynch

Why Xayah?

[Wisdom]

shes scummy