Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[bob3141]

I started the tris wagon, cos skitter said she didn't feel ddl anymore and at that point I didn't want to vote you

so then why tris at that point. Why not a50 as lookign back vex was scum read of yours

we also have ben listed by you.

[Mizzytastic]

Why does inexperienced with scum Mizzy do this when they were generally town read? Like it's a very obvious change in my play against someone known for being hard to get mislynches to stick on.

pedit: cos I wanted to get a wagon going on someone other than pret and tris was the one skitter seemed interested in

[bob3141]

mizzy if your happy. We can always get rid of scum you first.

VOTE: Mizzy

[Mizzytastic]

no point starting a wagon on someone I scum read more than the likely lynch if it's not gonna get momentum in the less than 24 hours that remained

[bob3141]

Why does inexperienced with scum Mizzy do this when they were generally town read? Like it's a very obvious change in my play against someone known for being hard to get mislynches to stick on.

pedit: cos I wanted to get a wagon going on someone other than pret and tris was the one skitter seemed interested in

So why go for teh one skitter wanted.

why not a50 or ben

[Mizzytastic]

no, cos I'm town, and town me is trying to understand why you had to be pushed to vote for the person you seem to consider scummiest right now?

pedit: cos wagons need consensus to go through, it was very much a wagon to lynch, not pressure, there was less than 24 hours, I wanted to lynch someone from my lynch pool over pret and that was the one that seemed like it might actually get somewhere

[Mizzytastic]

tris flip changed my position on pret, combined with maybe a bit of anger at feeling fooled by him, and I decided to death tunnel cos I think he is scum, and unless I get players more expeirenced with set up than me who aren't the person I'm trying to lynch who has already been accused of using claims to get out of being lynched giving me a case as to why I'm overreacting I'm sticking to this until one of us is dead


Also, iirc you were voting Pret so now I can definitely do it

VOTE: Pret

[Pretentious]

I think BEF just has terrible reads.

Look, I'm trying to give you all the time and room you need here in order for me to make an enlightened decision (so as not repeat the mistake of Fogport), BUT .. this here quote is terrible in itself. How can you say that when BEF has both ben and Salad as scum reads (2 people YOU scumread) alongside you. I mean, just because he misreads you (if it's true) he should still be considered to have good reads (2/3 ain't bad, is it?).

I mean, going fully mechanical (my strong suit) your claim is still okay'ish (I know many will disagree, just like they did when I said Bingle was SCUM IN FOGPORT, and that the Scum team only had THREE MEMBERS IN A 17 PLAYERS SETUP). I wish I can totally wipe the memory of that game from my mind. *Sigh*

However, on a tone level, I get the feeling that you are playing us. Something's amiss. Something smells fishy. That's why I am reluctant to take a stance here because I know the wrong decision regarding your alignment will cost us the game, regardless of what it truly is.

Oh, and I also don't like your indecisiveness about RCE. You're supposed to be the reference on reading him. Am I wrong?

It’s not the fact he has those, it’s the fact he specifically has me with them.

[Pretentious]

tris flip changed my position on pret, combined with maybe a bit of anger at feeling fooled by him, and I decided to death tunnel cos I think he is scum, and unless I get players more expeirenced with set up than me who aren't the person I'm trying to lynch who has already been accused of using claims to get out of being lynched giving me a case as to why I'm overreacting I'm sticking to this until one of us is dead


Also, iirc you were voting Pret so now I can definitely do it

VOTE: Pret

This is also the classic finding a reason to state yourself onto a wagon.

Now, if Bob decides to go back there is another vote on my wagon.

Also, your reasonings are flawed because even tris wasn’t voting me.

[bob3141]

no, cos I'm town, and town me is trying to understand why you had to be pushed to vote for the person you seem to consider scummiest right now?

pedit: cos wagons need consensus to go through, it was very much a wagon to lynch, not pressure, there was less than 24 hours, I wanted to lynch someone from my lynch pool over pret and that was the one that seemed like it might actually get somewhere

You assume i was pushed. And your assuming I think your the scummiest.

So you claim you claim there was only 24hr to go but why not move your vote ealier and see if you could get oen of your other scum reads lynched


p.s. Also mizzy i dont want a short day. Last game i was in there was 3 lolhammers. even if one was scum and would have been lynched anyway.

[Pretentious]

And Skitter doesn’t know how to read me. She’s never really had to, so idk why following her matters here.

At the moment, I think A50 is the player here who can read me the best, followed by RCE (and mainly only because I did recently throw a few wrenches into RCE’s reading me because I needed to shake that off, and I got my scum win from abusing that) which is the main reason I’m not full on scum reading RCE here.

He’s got the Flavor Paranoia syndrome right now.

[Pretentious]

There is scum on my wagon right now.

No ifs ands or buts. 100% scum is currently on my wagon.

[bob3141]

tris flip changed my position on pret, combined with maybe a bit of anger at feeling fooled by him, and I decided to death tunnel cos I think he is scum, and unless I get players more expeirenced with set up than me who aren't the person I'm trying to lynch who has already been accused of using claims to get out of being lynched giving me a case as to why I'm overreacting I'm sticking to this until one of us is dead


Also, iirc you were voting Pret so now I can definitely do it

VOTE: Pret

This is also the classic finding a reason to state yourself onto a wagon.

Now, if Bob decides to go back there is another vote on my wagon.

Also, your reasonings are flawed because even tris wasn’t voting me.

mizzy already has. Mizzy stated earlier that although he wanted you it was too early to put it to l-1

[bob3141]

There is scum on my wagon right now.

No ifs ands or buts. 100% scum is currently on my wagon.

Such a statement is largly meaningless. As if you are scum you would know if there was. And if your town you would feel liek there is

[Pretentious]

Mechanically if he's not lynched do scum leave jk!pret alive hoping he misses and gets lynched tomorrow? Or is it too risky? I know night spec usually bad but it seems important to the argument here

This is literally the epitome of townFL and this is exactly how scumReact to TownMe in this scenario.

@RCEnigma - This is Musicals.

[Pretentious]

There is scum on my wagon right now.

No ifs ands or buts. 100% scum is currently on my wagon.

Such a statement is largly meaningless. As if you are scum you would know if there was. And if your town you would feel liek there is

False.

As town, I KNOW that there is.

Scum don’t just let my wagon dissipate.

[Mizzytastic]

You literally said you think I'm scum whatever the flip of the person you were voting before. How does that not make me sucmmier?

And I didn't move my vote earlier cos I thought it was on the wagon in my lynch pool that was most likely to go somewhere. Moving towards endgame yesterday my goal was to avoid a pret lynch cos I thought there were other people more likely to be scum.


My reasoning was very clearly not based on whether or not tris was voting you, what would that have to do with a role flip making me think you are lying about yours?

[bob3141]

Based on flips and a crumb I think I caught I don't believe pret's claim any more.

Wouldn't surprise me if scum do have a Strongman, and it informed pret's claim.

Also unless someone can show me a convincing tracker crumb I have a hard time seeing scum kill skitter over jk claiming town!pret. Her town game has reputation but so does his.

VOTE: pret

pedit: UNVOTE:

FoS pret

no, that is me unvoting cos I felt like it was going too quick, I do not intend to vote anyone other than pret today

mizzy never realy left your wagon. Me changign my vote realy only freed up a slot.

[bob3141]

I would think it would be worse if mizzy hadnt voted for you pret. If mizzy is town from his words i would expect him to vote for you and scum him maybe to delay it

Although i do agree there is scum on your wagon. But its more of question are you also scum.

[Pretentious]

I have too much potential to solve the game for scum, and most people know I can go from death tunneling someone to hard town reading them and then immediately moving onto the correct solve. I can move back off of the correct solve, but scum know it’s there in my head.

And usually scum don’t know how to handle it, and often times, they do exactly what you’re doing here, Mizzy.

They defend me, but not enough to fully stop a wagon on me. They let paranoia or “skill policy” take over, and willing to compromise, and then they coast and don’t budge.

It’s that unwillingness to reevaluate that paints you as scum here. When I have proven exactly why through setup spec, even if it’s a wrong setup spec, just because a doctor flipped, doesn’t mean there isn’t other stuff. Now, I know for a fact we’re in something like that, so I can clearly see the situations in which we can.

So it’s not even an opinion thing coming for me. It’s straight up fact. There are many situations with that, so that’s yet another flawed reasoning by you “waiting for other people who know setup”

A50’s right here, and he can tell you the exact same thing. RCEnigma, idk his ability to setup spec, but he would see it too.

[Pretentious]

I would think it would be worse if mizzy hadnt voted for you pret. If mizzy is town from his words i would expect him to vote for you and scum him maybe to delay it

Although i do agree there is scum on your wagon. But its more of question are you also scum.

Well, I’m not.

Lynch me tomorrow if y’all need to.

Not today. Day 3 i can hopefully come up with a solve that even in my death can have us win.

[Pretentious]

I would think it would be worse if mizzy hadnt voted for you pret. If mizzy is town from his words i would expect him to vote for you and scum him maybe to delay it

Although i do agree there is scum on your wagon. But its more of question are you also scum.

It still allowed him to politically create a tangible vote.

[Pretentious]

No vig kill on skitter, no claim => we probably lynch pret

No vig kill on skitter, claim => a50, pret, claim are very likely scum team, but do we find out too late?

Vig kill on skitter, no claim => we probably lynch pret, get angry later

Vig kill on skitter, claim => either someone stopped scum (lends credence to pret as jk), or scum gambitted and are trying to capitalise (looks bad for a50 for pushing this plan and pret for being 'saved' by the gambit)

Anything I'm missing?

He’s also hard trying to make sure the Vig talk continued

[Pretentious]

And reasoning it in a way to mislynch me no matter what happens with it

[Pretentious]

Which effectively just makes that a role fish