Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Bingle]

Jingle tyty for the compliment

I'm very deliberately not articulating a major part of my read on you rn, and i'm p sure you know that, and are baiting me anyways; if i'm reading how this is playing out correctly, we're absolutely on the same wavelength here and the way you're handling this is scummy af, and i have an incredibly difficult time believing that this comes from town!you

I'm bouncing for vla nowish, but we can pick this up when i get back <3

Your read on me, as best as I can tell, is the following:

I acted obtuse to build reads and admitted to it.
I detracted from the worst wagon when you wanted it, which makes me s/s with the worst. Also, me/tw doesn't make sense as s/s so we're probably s/sk. (These are both arguments from you.)
I know what you're thinking.
I've been tunneling Egix without expressing why.

That's it. There isn't another reason I can find in your ISO.

The fun thing? You're now being obtuse with your reads. Your treatment of the Egix wagon was leagues worse than mine of Egix. You've been tunneling me without expressing why.

Your own case better describes what you've been doing in the thread than what I've been doing. And where I was obtuse to draw out meat and potatoes stances? Well, you've pretty much ignored every major wagon today. The closest you got to commenting on one was that you didn't like the Egix wagon because I was voting Egix.

[Bingle]

Now let me ask you one thing: You said the optimal play for the SK here is to pick BP. The question I am asking now though is what would YOU pick as SK?

BP. It's not even a choice.

The odds of a cop are = the odds of a vig. The odds of a scumkill being present are 100%. If an SK is investigated by a cop, they can still try to argue they will townside and shoot for a win that way. There is no chance for an SK who is killed to win. If an SK is false cleared by a cop, the scum team inevitably shoots them.

[Bingle]

is there a case where bingle and skitter are both town?

It's possible. I don't even want to lynch skitter today. Her tunnel on me is bad, but bad doesn't necessarily mean scum.

[the worst]

im not particularly interested in lynching sk-potential today at all.

that's what i mean; i'm not reading for a SK until we have red flips.

[the worst]

Now let me ask you one thing: You said the optimal play for the SK here is to pick BP. The question I am asking now though is what would YOU pick as SK?

BP. It's not even a choice.

The odds of a cop are = the odds of a vig. The odds of a scumkill being present are 100%. If an SK is investigated by a cop, they can still try to argue they will townside and shoot for a win that way. There is no chance for an SK who is killed to win. If an SK is false cleared by a cop, the scum team inevitably shoots them.

this post is intensely ding ding

[teacher]

Mena, you around?

[Bingle]

this post is intensely ding ding

Why?

That's an intensely NAI post from me. It's mechanics, which I don't lie about optimization of as a rule (Which I'm like 90% sure you know). It's scum choices, which I usually avoid talking about period. And it's in the past.

[the worst]

this post is intensely ding ding

Why?

That's an intensely NAI post from me. It's mechanics, which I don't lie about optimization of as a rule (Which I'm like 90% sure you know). It's scum choices, which I usually avoid talking about period. And it's in the past.

objectively correct, not alignment indicative
just saying i sincerely agree mechanically

[the worst]

OH ding ding is like "ding ding! we got a winner"; not pingy!!

[Bingle]

OH ding ding is like "ding ding! we got a winner"; not pingy!!

Oh. In that case, it goes without saying. This is the first setup I ever modded (I think that was actually the first game I saw wicked in too?) so I've had a lot of experience looking at it.

[Bingle]

Subject: Open 573: C9++

The Fonz, replacing

sthar8

Heartless (Antihero and TellTaleHeart)
davesaz*
ArcAngel9, replacing

Majiffy

, replacing

Brian Skies

, replacing

GrayFoxxxx

Aneninen
Death Stare (GuyInFreezer and Ankamius)
50 Shades of Purple (Nachomamma8 and pirate mollie)
T S O, replacing

Stavrogin

wgeurts
MTD
MonkeyMan
Massive
Nero Cain*

No wicked, but holy shit this playerlist. Weirdly like half of these names are still around, but the most interesting thing to me is MonkeyMan. I'd forgotten about him. A50, are you secretly an alt?

[the worst]

/in

[Almost50]

MonkeyMan

Granpa??

[teacher]

ugh... I had fun last night until nibbs, and that sent me on tilt something hard.

Like I dont see why it resulted in a wagon on me, but whatevs. /idgaf mode activated.

The one vote on me I truly dont get, given our history, was Skitter. To me, that interchange, pedantic though it might have been, was so similar to 1951 (right down to the miscommunication with foreigners) that I dont get how it looks scummy in her eyes. Thats kind of why I wanted to vibe with Menalque about it, since he was there too.

Im not going down that rabbit hole again for my own sake (too much grading due by Wednesday morning). All I will say is that I took 2079, 2084, and 2087 at the face value of their plain text, and then Nibs jumped all over me for not understanding what he was trying to say (rather than what he actually said). From that point on, all Ive been trying to do is show Nibs how those three read together would lead to my understanding. I truly dont get how he cant see that, but whatevs.

Someone in this thread asked me how I read Nibs. I see them as town (even more so now) but with shitty ass reads.

Im going to dive more tonight, but grade first, so Ill be on in a bit.

[the worst]

i feel weirdly zen abt this game as well fwiw
reasonable chance i'll be lynched; it's kinda w/e
our poe is quite good and i'm having like adequate amounts of fun

we'll win or lose by the awesomeness of the lategame town


nibs is v v town but yeah his exchange with you was

SILLY

that's right, i used the s word

[teacher]

I should have a few hours here and there throughout the day to devote to this game.

Did you get trapped in Egix's amazing ISO for 1.5 hours too?

[Wickedestjr]

Ok I'm actually here now.

This post also felt weird to me for some reason. It's the reason why I was asking him about his skitter read earlier.

And I answered your question. But you never answered 353's last question that I recall. You said you would in 355 after I answered. I answered in 381, but then you never come back to it that I saw in a quick ISO skim?

I partially explained it in this post. I wanted you to reveal your skitter read so I could get a better sense of the genuine-ness of this post.

Can the board give meta-reads of Bingle (1997)?

I’ve played with Bingle maybe four or five times? We were both town in every game that we have played together (with the exception of a marathon game where he was scum). As I said before, his play here feels different from how I remember his town meta. The 'obtuseness' is not something that I remember seeing from him before. Having said that, he mentioned some other games where he tries this ‘obtuse’ approach and I haven’t gotten the chance to check ‘em out yet.


P-edit: I actually spent three hours ISO'ing CJ. Tough read; I learned nothing.

[Wickedestjr]

Me trying to join Nibbui's justice crusader:

Spoiler:

[teacher]

K - what was your conclusion on the genuineness of that post?

[the worst]

I should have a few hours here and there throughout the day to devote to this game.

Did you get trapped in Egix's amazing ISO for 1.5 hours too?

Me trying to join Nibbui's justice crusader:

Spoiler:

^^^^ both of these made me lol

[Bingle]

was so similar to 1951

lynx?

[Bingle]

we'll win or lose by the awesomeness of the lategame town

What's your PoE?

[teacher]

was so similar to 1951

lynx?

viewtopic.php?p=11191955#p11191955

[the worst]

don't have a firm one rn
nibs/skitter/nor are clearly town
drdolittle/menalque are probably town
egix is explicitly scummy but i think can be solved via sorting nsg
nsg is scummy but sortable
wicked/you/a50/teacher/nips are the wildcards

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: Nibbui

Every accusation you’ve made towards me has been awful awful awful

Why does that make nibs scum?

I voted for Nibbui because, at that point in time, I was extremely frustrated and couldn't imagine Nibbui-town honestly believing that I was obvscum for such terrible reasons.

To be honest, I'll admit that I'm starting to reconsider this given that nobody else really spoke out against his terrible case (which means I'm the only one who sees how bad it is) and also because he later switched his vote to teacher even though he had previously been 'ready to lynch' Egix and then myself (which makes me think that Nibbui is one of those players that pretends to be more confident than he actually is, just so he can influence others).