Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

[PMysterious]

It just occured to me that there may be a traitor

oh my lord this game isnt worth keeping up with anymore.

ive said what i needed to say. deuces.

Is this signaling?

Well, it seems like tchill has given up.

At this point, I say just lynch him. He's likely Mafia given the circumstances, and if he isn't lynched today, what is he going to provide for us the following day?

[Robbnva]

Robb, here is proof that an 11p mini normal can have 4 Town pr’s:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68345

Interesting to note that this game contained a Mafia Rolecop + Mafia traitor...

ah, ok so I am incorrect and there is a chance that there can be 4

UNVOTE:

[Flubbernugget]

how is that relevant to this game we are playing now though

[Robbnva]

i was under the impression 4 was impossible. Given it is possible, I obviously can't say that anymore.

[Flubbernugget]

But if it never happened before it could still be possible

Blah. That's why these number games are dumb

[Flubbernugget]

I just don't see in what realm 4 pr's has anything to do with this.

Unless you're hiding something with your lack of claim the setup as is makes sense

[Robbnva]

I claimed.

My theory was 4 isn’t possible so one of havo/skitter is guaranteed scum.

4 is possible though still unlikely.

I’ll probably still end up voting havo.

[Luca Blight]

Has anyone ever encountered a Town JOAT similar to Skitter’s claim in a normal game? I can only remember Joat’s with three abilities, and the visitor ability is weird. Why would the mod not just make it a one shot cop?

It would also be a strange fake claim, but obviously the benefit would be that if Skitter were tracked to Flavor then it would give her an out. Something is making me feel wary/paranoid about this slot.

[Robbnva]

I am pretty sure I have seen two shot joats before. I can go check since I am on a computer now

[Luca Blight]

I believe Skitter was asked why she investigated me N1 but I don’t believe she ever answered. I would like to know why, because she was TR’ing me D1 from what i remember and there were lower activity slots she could have better used the ability on.

I expected to be killed N2 as I was being townread by most of the playerlist, but scum killed a claimed VT instead. This would make more sense when scum knew I was also Vanilla and the rest of the player list was dodgy to some degree, while Flavor was a low info kill who could possibly pose a threat later in the game.

Skitter’s claim also also gains her more Towncred with me alive rather than dead.

[Robbnva]

found at least 2 games where JOAT only had 2 roles. There are unfortunately a bunch of JOAT roles where their abilities are not listed in the archive page and didn't really feel like clicking each one. so 2 is possible. as for one shot cop/visitor, honestly don't know.

[Robbnva]

I just skimmed her iso, she doesn't really mention you until day 2 where she says you are townie.

[Luca Blight]

I was thinking if there is a traitor then it could be Tchill/Havo/Skitter.

This would explain Tchill and Havo’s weird behavior, as they have worked each other out and are awkwardly coordinating their efforts without daychat. 3 scum including Motion detector + scum rolecop vs two town pr’s wouldn’t seem balanced though, although maybe Havo just completely invented his role.

[Luca Blight]

I just skimmed her iso, she doesn't really mention you until day 2 where she says you are townie.

Fair enough, I could have sworn she said I was Town on D1 but I must have been thinking of her early D2 comment.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

I think this is the best bet for now. In the last game I played with Tchill he talked of how he’d previously used his familiarity of playing with Flavor to manipulate him and win against him as scum. This not only explains the night kill but also means he could be doing the same to Havo. It really feels as though Tchill has made up reasons to TR Havo and it seems out of character for him.

I believe this is L-1

[Luca Blight]

Ive done a little meta-diving and this game is of interest:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=75833

The scumteam is Havo/Tchill, and their play bears resemblance to this game.

They both hard defend each other throughout. Havo Townread Tchill due to familiarity without much else in the way of reasoning . Havo claims a town version of his scum role. Unfortunately it seems no scum pt was posted, but it still makes for an interesting read.

[Robbnva]

Oh good find, let me look over that game

[Robbnva]

"Why would Scum Tchill and Havo do the things they’ve done? None of the night kills make sense."

Spoiler:

[Robbnva]

So scum Havo and Tchill basically hard town read each other all game?

[Robbnva]

shit that quote was from havo - viewtopic.php?p=10158987#p10158987

this game actually proves they can be very manipulative as scum. They have no issues fake claiming PRs either.

[Flubbernugget]

Has anyone ever encountered a Town JOAT similar to Skitter’s claim in a normal game? I can only remember Joat’s with three abilities, and the visitor ability is weird. Why would the mod not just make it a one shot cop?

It would also be a strange fake claim, but obviously the benefit would be that if Skitter were tracked to Flavor then it would give her an out. Something is making me feel wary/paranoid about this slot.

I'm pretty sure if skitter could confirm another townie it would put the game close to (if not completely in) auto

[Tchill13]

Tchill, I am currently townreading Skitter and that wouldn’t automatically change upon a Havo townflip, as I think 4 pr’s is a possibility. I don’t think it’s impossible that she is some sort of scumcop who was able to detect that I’m vanilla, but there are more likely scenarios atm.

I think Havo is a good Lynch because he has been scummy this game; his reads, stances and pushes don’t add up. I don’t get his faith in his Tchill read and don’t see the progression there from when he had you down as null. Similarly I don’t see the progression on his Robb read either, and I can hardly relate to anything he’s said all game. The fact we have an unusually high number of Pr claims means he is slightly more likely to slip scum at this stage.

as long as robb or flub is lynched after havo flips town idc.

[Tchill13]

I know all about being stubborn. I’m one of the most stubborn but the game potentially hangs in the balance and neither can explain why the other is town based on gameplay.

Then that probably means they both are scum. If we can't explain why they're town, then they probably aren't town to begin with. We need to choose one, but then we can lynch the other the following day, or maybe Havo if we so choose.

this wins robb and flub the game.

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

I think this is the best bet for now. In the last game I played with Tchill he talked of how he’d previously

used his familiarity of playing with Flavor to manipulate him and win against him as scum

. This not only explains the night kill but also means he could be doing the same to Havo. It really feels as though Tchill has made up reasons to TR Havo and it seems out of character for him.

I believe this is L-1

this requires keeping flavor... ALIVE.

[Tchill13]

lol. when i flip town if yall lynch havo yall lost the game.

cant wait to talk to luca post game. dude is so predictable.

PM isnt worth the time or the breath. has done nothing this game outside of their role.

I expected more from skitter.