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[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Am I?? Wanna lynch conf!Scum Cliff with me? I mean, if he flipped what he says he is then Billy is confirmed and Cliff already found the VT, so not a big deal, but you get ME as confirmed scum next, so that's a win-win for the town (a clear on Billy and a guilty on me by lynching what is now effectively a VT.)

HOWEVER, I know he's flipping RED, and then you get me as confirmed a townie, lynch scum and pseudo confirm Billy still (scum probably aren't stupid enough to fake an inno on their p). That's an even better scenario, don't you think?

[AaronFrost]

AGAIN: CLIFF IS STILL SCUM BY MY FLIP. HE LIED ABOUT RECEIVING FRUIT FROM ME. HE IS A SCUM FRUIT VENDOR OF SOME SORT (probably my EXACT ROLE, which is DISLOYAL SIMPLE FRUIT VENDOR)

That's RIGHT. My action is only successful on Mafia Goons. So, why THE FUCK would he lie? It is because he thought I really gave fruit out to TOWN PRS, and he wanted to be fake confirmed.

Yeah no I don't buy this. Claiming disloyal after the fact is way too convenient.

[AaronFrost]

Am I?? Wanna lynch conf!Scum Cliff with me? I mean, if he flipped what he says he is then Billy is confirmed and Cliff already found the VT, so not a big deal, but you get ME as confirmed scum next, so that's a win-win for the town (a clear on Billy and a guilty on me by lynching what is now effectively a VT.)

HOWEVER, I know he's flipping RED, and then you get me as confirmed a townie, lynch scum and pseudo confirm Billy still (scum probably aren't stupid enough to fake an inno on their p). That's an even better scenario, don't you think?

Works the same way around no matter which order we lynch in.

Also are we sure there's only one VT? Either way, Billy is confirmed town if Cliff is nea.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I will also propose that one of Tchill/Garmr

must be scum

(but if it's Garmr then he's a Watcher not a Voyeur). That is the ONLY way not-Goon Cliff knows I visited him at all. (It also explains why they're both still alive, because shooting the TPR of the two implicates the Scum PT)

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd L-2

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Either way, Billy is confirmed town if Cliff is nea.

Are you reading? He claims to be a Loyal FV. Now watch this:

I’m an Informed Miller, there are no loyal modifiers in this game, and there are 4 scum

RD is probably scum too. He knows Cliff is DISLOYAL.

So that's Cliff (100%) + Tchill/Garmr (95%) + RD (80%)

[Cliff Booth]

So he wants to mislynch me by saying my role is nullified now that we found "the" VT when no one should know whether we only have one or not. This also doesnt make sense as I never aimed to be simple.

He also knew this was never twilight and only reacted that way and "claimed" to further push the illusion that he is town.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd L-2

One more vote, guys. Come on. You can do it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

So he wants to mislynch me by saying my role is nullified now that we found "the" VT when no one should know whether we only have one or not. This also doesnt make sense as I never aimed to be simple.

He also knew this was never twilight and only reacted that way and "claimed" to further push the illusion that he is town.

Please tell me you're NOT Bingle. Pretty, please! I BEG OF YOU!

[Cliff Booth]

RD is notorious for lying about such things. JJD is fully aware of that. It just played out in a game they were both in "Black vs White Mafia" i think it was called.

RD claimed to be informed and was actually scum. He said he was informed there was a ninja but I believe RD just was the ninja. RD did a similar gotcha thing with changing his role claim to entrap a townie

[Cliff Booth]

But I'm going to bed, godspeed friends.

[Cliff Booth]

Oh one thing actually. If he does get hammered before I return and flips scum fruit vendor then consider the earlier subject of the backup being the same alignment.

Maybe a niche of this game is scum and town having (mostly?) The same roles.

[Cliff Booth]

Oooh. Last thing I promise. You'd think he would try to gain some info from his 2nd night action as well. a disloyal fruit vendor certainly would have tried to send more fruit on N2, right?

[Cliff Booth]

RD is notorious for lying about such things. JJD is fully aware of that. It just played out in a game they were both in "Black vs White Mafia" i think it was called.

RD claimed to be informed and was actually scum. He said he was informed there was a ninja but I believe RD just was the ninja. RD did a similar gotcha thing with changing his role claim to entrap a townie

I lied. True last thing.
In case you somehow missed it jjd is almost50 (specifically important if you read that game)

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[AaronFrost]

Oh one thing actually. If he does get hammered before I return and flips scum fruit vendor then consider the earlier subject of the backup being the same alignment.

Maybe a niche of this game is scum and town having (mostly?) The same roles.

So you think there might be a town rolecop as well? Seems likely.

[EeveeLution Army]

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

see at no point did he actualy give a reason for titus vote.

If he only had feeling and no reasoning why was his vote there all day 2

Even when he finaly voted titus. all he said i can vote here now.

Now added reasoning

Cant see his titus vote being anythign other than a vanity vote

yeah i never really had good reasoning on titus. but i still think hes scum.

but what do you mean by vanity here pride or worthless?

Is it just a gut feeling? Anything in particular that's causing you to scumread Titus?

Its mostly gut from alot of small things. I do forget if titus has claimed however. So that could loosen or tighten my ideals

[profii]

Gobble talked a lot about a vig, fakeclaimed gunsmith to profii. Why exactly

He fake claimed gunsmith and claimed he checked me n1 - this was like

"I'm so paranoid of you in this hood so I checked you so unless you are a scum doc you are cool let's be masons get in my pocket bro"

[EeveeLution Army]

Any chance he rolecopped you?

[profii]

Okay. No answer?

I'm a loyal fruit vendor. Jjd on N1 and Billy on N2.

I made it obvious that I targeted jjd n1. Made it pretty obvious I was gonna target billy d2. And billy received the fruit.

Now lynch jjd

This was why I asked you about those 2 specific players

You gave different reads so I knew I'd be voting one

I needed to double check the sorts but now its out there

Christ this did not need to be outed at all

[profii]

Softs not sorts

[profii]

VOTE: JJD

[profii]

In my notes I reflected that JJD was really trying to buddy up to me but also I considered he asked me about my personal PT and I thought he was trying to work out if I had a PT but then he said he thought I was trying to work out if he thought I was a cop which I thought was not natural logic... unless he was scum and knew I wasnt in scum PT in which case that would be more logical

It probably doesn't make sense to anyone but me but hey ho

[profii]

Any chance he rolecopped you?

No idea

I told him my role after he said I had no gun as I believed him

I would say it's likely just because if I was him id want to pass info to scum so if i could pocket my hood buddy and get his PR results then it would ultimately help

Obviously being a backup and in theory with tchill alive I am a disappointment to him so unlucky!

[profii]

UNVOTE:
Maybe I'm rushing

[profii]

JJD... are you SURE nothing weird happened last night... like... really sure

So there is this in day 2. I'm happy Cliff did something to JJD n1, or at least that is the narrative he is going with let's say