Death Note: I’ll Be The One Writing Your Name

[Almost50]

Almost, do you have any Vork insight?

Erm.. too scummy to be scum comes to mind. Most of his bright ideas so far have been "Jester-like motivated", but I very much doubt FL would put a Jester in a Death Note game.

[Mordhaus]

Oh boy
do we lynch people with negative utility or scum equity?

Decisions, decisions...

Seriously Chara? This is town?

well, it might be. Almost, do you have any Vork insight?

i really don't have ability with reading posting that is purely mechanical, i just know it's how Vork always plays.


Chemist is town because Alisae was town, looking forward to your catchup thoughts Chemist.

So... your premise is we don’t lynch the guys spouting obviously scum motivated mechspeak because he only ever plays through mechanics? So... he’s not going to get more useful, he’s not going to get more readable, and we want to keep him around why?

VOTE: Vorkuta

Tell me in the hydra pt if you have a problem with my murderboner, but I don’t foresee letting this go.

~Rockso

[Vorkuta]

I mean from my point of view, anyone that isn't accepting my mechanical PoV and potential solve is either
-intentionally obstinate and is clinging to site meta, and refusing to innovate given the perfect environment
-scum roadblocking/derailing/obstructing said solve

And I'm actually scumhunting in my way as I lack familiarity with the roster and the.... "patience" to go toe-to-toe with some of the more outspoken personalities here.

But sure

[Bambi Jay]

1vAll us bro. No worries.

[Evenstar]

1vAll us bro. No worries.

Like half the thread has softed already. We might as well get people to outright

state

their falseclaims.

Still very tempted to just drop my rolesolve attempt into the thread and have done with all this bull.

[Bambi Jay]

Anyone softing their flavor is a dipshit since that's only for scum to kill them. Softing your role is reasonable, I guess.

[Wooper]

Tell me in the hydra pt if you have a problem with my murderboner

Can I have access? This push isn't valuable.

[Chara]

So... your premise is we don’t lynch the guys spouting obviously scum motivated mechspeak because he only ever plays through mechanics? So... he’s not going to get more useful, he’s not going to get more readable, and we want to keep him around why?

so it's a policy lynch? i'm not necessarily opposed, but call it like it is. :>

also, i feel like this response very kindly ignores my question to Almost about how Vorkuta might be read. just because i can't read Vork doesn't mean others can't.

[Chara]

Anyone softing their flavor is a dipshit since that's only for scum to kill them. Softing your role is reasonable, I guess.

i'm a little curious as to what Even thinks i've softed, if anything.

talking about perfect environments, i rather enjoy this environment where scum cannot kill freely.

[Mordhaus]

If you want me to get even more specific, I'm a Godfather/Miller Enabler upon my flip.

That's a bloody shitty role that I don't think even YOU can come up with on your own, so I'm inclined to buy it.

Yeah, but it's unique, atleast. I'm like an enabler for a mafia ability. That's pretty fun.

I've seen something similar with a townie enabling the scum daychat.

I think. That might have been a fever dream. Or the coke.

Zo

[Mordhaus]

Almost, do you have any Vork insight?

Erm.. too scummy to be scum comes to mind. Most of his bright ideas so far have been "Jester-like motivated", but I very much doubt FL would put a Jester in a Death Note game.

I think I'm going to start lynching anyone who uses TWTBAW as an excuse for anything.

Scummy actors need to be lynched so that we can eliminate false positives. If they are town then they should have played better.

[Mordhaus]

Tell me in the hydra pt if you have a problem with my murderboner, but I don’t foresee letting this go.

~Rockso

Co-signed with a line. Mech players hide behind mech because they can easily pass themselves off as scum. It allows them to remove their own bias.

For me it's the whole imma check in, complain about what people post, harp on a mass claim, and then disappear again shtick he's been running.

Like if he played the game the way the rest of us were he would have insight. Here he is absolving himself of any culpability.

[Mordhaus]

I mean from my point of view, anyone that isn't accepting my mechanical PoV and potential solve is either
-intentionally obstinate and is clinging to site meta, and refusing to innovate given the perfect environment
-scum roadblocking/derailing/obstructing said solve

And I'm actually scumhunting in my way as I lack familiarity with the roster and the.... "patience" to go toe-to-toe with some of the more outspoken personalities here.

But sure

Or they are town who has reason to need to stay hidden a bit because of the way their role was written?

But yeah, make a false and/or situation that fits your agenda. You're making this easy.

[Evenstar]

Anyone softing their flavor is a dipshit since that's only for scum to kill them. Softing your role is reasonable, I guess.

i'm a little curious as to what Even thinks i've softed, if anything.

talking about perfect environments, i rather enjoy this environment where scum cannot kill freely.

Would you like me to state my read out loud for the thread?

[Mordhaus]

No. Even speculating about other people's potential flavorsofts is giving scum access to information they don't necessarily have.

Don't talk about flavors that may or may not exist. Don't draw attention to flavor softs. Don't hunt flavor softs. Don't believe flavor softs.

All of that should be elementary. I'm super interested in what you think we've softed, too, but you continuing to talk about it just increases the likelihood that scum picks up on whatever you think you see on the off chance that whatever you see isn't. It can't help town, it theoretically could help scum, and it's a distraction from actually playing the game. If you want to brag in the postgame, PM your list to Morality as a bragging rights thing, but STOP BRINGING IT UP.

[Mordhaus]

~So

[Mordhaus]

so it's a policy lynch? i'm not necessarily opposed, but call it like it is. :>

I mean... Part policy lynch, part there's an actual scum motivation to what he's pushing.

As far as anyone actually reading him: Who? A50 had the waffley-est defense post using TWTBAW of all things. Duck doesn't want to lynch him because... he's not a loaf of bread? I dunno why ducks do anything, tbh. Literally no one else has posted a townread or a reason to townread him.

[Mordhaus]

-intentionally obstinate and is clinging to site meta, and refusing to innovate given the perfect environment

Your 'innovative strategy' is something people have been doing successfully in setups that support it since before I joined the site. There was literally a player with a title referencing his propensity to break setups via massclaim. This is also the exact opposite of the "perfect environment" for a massclaim, because there's a public function that supports keeping scum from getting extra information.

Your suggestion is literally: Let's take the setup that is balanced around inconsistent nightkills, and let scum nightkill consistently. If you're town, you should be ashamed of that bullshit. If you want terribly balanced games that are broken by not thinking, go play 1 Night.

[Vorkuta]

But yeah, make a false and/or situation that fits your agenda

Sure- misinterpret and handwave away a legitimate and potential game-winning strategy based on no evidence and pure speculation.
And feel free to throw some shade at me while you're at it

[Evenstar]

No. Even speculating about other people's potential flavorsofts is giving scum access to information they don't necessarily have.

Don't talk about flavors that may or may not exist. Don't draw attention to flavor softs. Don't hunt flavor softs. Don't believe flavor softs.

All of that should be elementary. I'm super interested in what you think we've softed, too, but you continuing to talk about it just increases the likelihood that scum picks up on whatever you think you see on the off chance that whatever you see isn't. It can't help town, it theoretically could help scum, and it's a distraction from actually playing the game. If you want to brag in the postgame, PM your list to Morality as a bragging rights thing, but STOP BRINGING IT UP.

I'm not the one who brought it up, Mordhaus.

[Mordhaus]

Given our role, (not flavor) I'm inclined to believe that mass flavorcopping isn't worth it. I'll reevaluate after N1 and/or if we get more evidence either way.

[Vorkuta]

Your 'innovative strategy' is something people have been doing successfully in setups that support it

Ok- that's great and beautiful, but I haven't seen any of that at all recently.
I understand that nowadays setups are explicitly balanced around 'not' mass claiming, but I've played in several games where an early mass claim (or like... the 2 relevant roles claiming on time) would win the game.
Why not do it here?

Oh- you're just shading my word choice "innovative" because it's been done A LONG TIME ago, but not now.
I concede.

Let's take the setup that is balanced around inconsistent nightkills, and let scum nightkill consistently.

Bambi claimed "miller enabler" and whatever if he's dead.
Any scum worth his salt already eye'd him and is going to N1 kill him.
And that was WITHOUT my prompting.
We're ALREADY going to lose roles by roles, so we might as well bite the bullet and not go out pathetically 1-by-1.

Also you're misinterpreting my strategy but that fits in very well with your agenda of 'lets lynch vork kthnx'

[Mordhaus]

I'm not the one who brought it up, Mordhaus.

No, but you are the one hunting flavorsofts that I'm pretty sure don't exist, so my point stands. This is a postgame/deadthread discussion anyway.

~Rockso

[Mordhaus]

Bambi claimed "miller enabler" and whatever if he's dead.
Any scum worth his salt already eye'd him and is going to N1 kill him.
And that was WITHOUT my prompting.
We're ALREADY going to lose roles by roles, so we might as well bite the bullet and not go out pathetically 1-by-1.

I think I got dumber reading this.

[Almost50]

@Vorky: I don't want to engage you only to find myself wrapped up in a vicious circle, but I also want to try and understand how that brain of yours is working. So here goes:

1- This isn't a Normal.
2- Flavor in this game is the way Scum can kill.
3- You claim that we are not afraid of the Nk and I don't understand why that is.
4- Maybe you mean a massclaim of ROLES and not flavor??
5- If 4 is true, it's still a bad idea, because:
5-a- Roles could be an indicators of some flavor still
5-b- Scum may have other roles to affect the claimed TPRs without killing them

So, I really really would appreciate it if you tried to explain your strategy here as if I really am a 7 year old who has never played Mafia before. Thank you.