[Game Over] Newbie 1960 - Deathcars

[emps]

Jocus Aevorum (L-2)

: Selynee, NaCl, Quantifiable
Conundrum

Emperor flippyNips (L-3)

: Robbnva, Jocus Aevorum

emps (L-4)

: eth0s

SausasaurusRex (L-4)

: emps

Emperor flippyNips, SausasaurusRex

also, the tone in qc's posts (mostly the ones directed towards/talking to robb) is good imo

idk what specifically but i like the tone in those posts

[emps]

idk im kinda townleaning him after reading his iso

[emps]

anyways ima look at jocus's iso

[NaCl]

Anyways, I have Neza as a very very slight town lean right now based on gut feeling, and Ceejay seems like he's getting victimized a bit too much to be scum.
Mizzytastic is slightly town for now, I don't think a mafia player would go around antagonizing people that hard or being so insistent on getting their questions answered. If the question I missed turns out to be some minor fluff thing or asking me to justify an obvious pressure vote, I may have to rethink that, since that would look like a divide and conquer strategy to me.
Xeogarius is being very forward about buddying me. Null read otherwise.

This one feels far more verbose and open than his opinions in this game.

As for my current reads:

Null

EspeciallyTheLies - No real content.
Nezahaulpilli - Moderately town leaning just for calling out Xeogarius in 84. In fact, 84 is a pretty great post all around.
Suspicious - Post 48, while old, is good, it's breaking up a potential quicklynch, but it's very minor. He's defending me a bit too hard too in 92, 93, and 94, which looks a little bit like buddying.
Accessinator - One good post 91. Insufficient content so far. If this pattern continues, I will get more suspicious.
Cee - Nada
EspeciallyTheLies - 1 post. he's probably going to get replaced out.

Town

Mizzytastic - town, but overconfident town, which can be dangerous in its own way. It seems like it's pretty uncontroversial that he's town at this point, I haven't seen anyone contradict that, and he's clearly very interested in solving this.

Scum

NotMySpamAccount - Horrible post #22, goes from a random vote to a real one on the same guy based on essentially nothing. #72 seems like he's trying to discredit someone (although I could be reading more malice into that post than intended,) he has three more throwaway posts, and finally his #96 is very weak and doesn't contain much reasoning. Still only scum leaning though, since absent a slip up, I don't think we're going to have the data to be certain someone is scum on day 1. I am less confident about this one, and may swap him out with Accessinator.
Xeogarius - 99 is weird. It's weird to have such a strong read on Access this early on, and it seems like scum might try to deflect onto a relatively safe player. He's also very defensive in 58, and seems to be the most anti-mizzy player here overall, and as I've said before, I think Mizzy is the most widely agreed upon town.

VOTE: Xeogarius sheeping Mizzy and he hasn't felt any real pressure yet. I would like to see what happens when that changes.
I might change to Accessinator if we don't get some more content. It feels like he's trying to skate by under the radar.

Compare this to what his readlist looks like here.

[emps]

VOTE: Robbnva
Hello again.

i assume hes played with robb before and that means he would know that robb is pretty aggressive and like this is a pretty ballsy move to do as a newbie

[emps]

i dunno that seems more like just being lazy tbh his readlists have like a similar tone to them i guess and he also explains his reads

sometimes i just have games where im off because im like lazy or just dont have as much time on my hands or smth like that

[NaCl]

I guess. I tend to be lazy as scum, so I could be wrong here. But it feels like his reads have much less substance in this compared to then.

He was tracker in that game, so maybe it could be VT that's not as excited to have a role.

[NaCl]

Actually, emps is now off the table for a lynch for me.

Strong town
Selynee
emps

Town
Jocus

Weak town
Eth0s
Rex
Maybe QC?

I really want Flippynips at this point, but I guess I'll take Rex or QC if it happens. Although at this rate, it will be Jocus, or worse, no lynch.

[emps]

honestly im a bit too lazy to iso jocus as well as like a bunch of other people. im like very sure abt rex rn and id really prefer a rex lynch here

nacl, care to explain ur sudden tr on me?

[NaCl]

I don't know what I'm doing.

But it's mostly that you didn't have to be try harding in the last few hours, since no one else is, but you're doing so anyways.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

SaurausSaurus, ethos, and emps. You all seem eager to go after flippy, but obviously not all of you are scum. Can you explain what's going on?

i think hes played a game before? correct me if im wrong

but like after playing at least a game you should know most early game wagons are memes and it was like pretty obvious that flippynips and i were like memeing and our votes on each other werent serious

In my other game, we had a guy replace in, only to lolhammer someone who flipped town, so that's where my paranoia is coming from. I'm happy with this lynch if it goes through. Jocus is making no real effort to defend himself, it reads like someone throwing up their hands in frustration after a slip.

Anyways, I have Neza as a very very slight town lean right now based on gut feeling, and Ceejay seems like he's getting victimized a bit too much to be scum.
Mizzytastic is slightly town for now, I don't think a mafia player would go around antagonizing people that hard or being so insistent on getting their questions answered. If the question I missed turns out to be some minor fluff thing or asking me to justify an obvious pressure vote, I may have to rethink that, since that would look like a divide and conquer strategy to me.
Xeogarius is being very forward about buddying me. Null read otherwise.

This one feels far more verbose and open than his opinions in this game.

As for my current reads:

Null

EspeciallyTheLies - No real content.
Nezahaulpilli - Moderately town leaning just for calling out Xeogarius in 84. In fact, 84 is a pretty great post all around.
Suspicious - Post 48, while old, is good, it's breaking up a potential quicklynch, but it's very minor. He's defending me a bit too hard too in 92, 93, and 94, which looks a little bit like buddying.
Accessinator - One good post 91. Insufficient content so far. If this pattern continues, I will get more suspicious.
Cee - Nada
EspeciallyTheLies - 1 post. he's probably going to get replaced out.

Town

Mizzytastic - town, but overconfident town, which can be dangerous in its own way. It seems like it's pretty uncontroversial that he's town at this point, I haven't seen anyone contradict that, and he's clearly very interested in solving this.

Scum

NotMySpamAccount - Horrible post #22, goes from a random vote to a real one on the same guy based on essentially nothing. #72 seems like he's trying to discredit someone (although I could be reading more malice into that post than intended,) he has three more throwaway posts, and finally his #96 is very weak and doesn't contain much reasoning. Still only scum leaning though, since absent a slip up, I don't think we're going to have the data to be certain someone is scum on day 1. I am less confident about this one, and may swap him out with Accessinator.
Xeogarius - 99 is weird. It's weird to have such a strong read on Access this early on, and it seems like scum might try to deflect onto a relatively safe player. He's also very defensive in 58, and seems to be the most anti-mizzy player here overall, and as I've said before, I think Mizzy is the most widely agreed upon town.

VOTE: Xeogarius sheeping Mizzy and he hasn't felt any real pressure yet. I would like to see what happens when that changes.
I might change to Accessinator if we don't get some more content. It feels like he's trying to skate by under the radar.

Compare this to what his readlist looks like here.

I guess. I tend to be lazy as scum, so I could be wrong here. But it feels like his reads have much less substance in this compared to then.

He was tracker in that game, so maybe it could be VT that's not as excited to have a role.

Yeah, it's more fun when you aren't VT.

I'm willing to go emps if possible. Ethos's reasoning is good, but realistically, it looks like we cant change the wagon at this pointz and Jovus is better than no lynch.

[eth0s]

we could 180 on flippynips even though I don't particularly dislike how he played. since robb and jocus are already on it there's actually a chance of that lynch happening.

if sausa or QC were possible I would want to lynch there instead. I think QC will be more readable this game than sausa would be and so far the latter just feels like they'll be a liability even if they're town.

VOTE: SausasaurusRex

The rationale here is a policy lynch, if it is to be defined as a lynch intended to remove a player whose alignment cannot be thoroughly examined and determined through inhibiting behaviors.

no one's alignment can be determined solely by examination. The best you can do is make an educated guess or have a PR result.

[eth0s]

Yeah, but I'd rather have a lynch than no lynch. Because it's possible you're scum with Jocus, but I feel like that would be really transparent.

Regardless, I'll be around and I want to hear what other people have to say. If there's no interest then there's no point in going ahead.

well I'm off jocus. Unless I've totally misread him so far then he doesn't react this way as scum. Wanting to lynch a slot that isn't even here is not very pro-town even given the circumstances. Sure I'll take EF over jocus but I don't want to do EF

[eth0s]

VOTE: Robbnva
Hello again.

i assume hes played with robb before and that means he would know that robb is pretty aggressive and like this is a pretty ballsy move to do as a newbie

actually... okay yeah. Voting robbnva first and not getting targetted by him is weird.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

also, the tone in qc's posts (mostly the ones directed towards/talking to robb) is good imo

idk what specifically but i like the tone in those posts

Jocus Aevorum (L-1)

: eth0s, Selynee, NaCl,
Quantifiable Conundrum

Emperor flippyNips (L-3)

: Robbnva, Jocus Aevorum

SausasaurusRex (L-4)

: emps

Emperor flippyNips, SausasaurusRex

I am now more skeptical of QC, but I specifically do not think his partner is Rex if he's scum.

Also, this probably is a dumb take, but I kind of feel like either both Jocus and Rex are scum, or neither of them are.

Doubt both Jocus and Rex are both mafia. Regardless of Jocus's play style, I doubt he'd act so nonchalant regarding his partner being lynched.

If two more people indicate that they're willing to move to Emps, I'll switch too.

Pedit: not sure what you mean, he hasn't really reacted in any meaningful way despite having multiple days to do so.
Like I said, I'm not big on this lynch either, but mathematically and in terms of information, any lynch is better than no lynch.

Pedit 2: you're right, that's strange. They could be partners.

[eth0s]

Actually, emps is now off the table for a lynch for me.

Strong town
Selynee
emps

Town
Jocus

Weak town
Eth0s
Rex
Maybe QC?

I really want Flippynips at this point, but I guess I'll take Rex or QC if it happens. Although at this rate, it will be Jocus, or worse, no lynch.

why did you completely omit robbnva's name from this

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Damn, I meant to quote 637.

[eth0s]

I don't know what I'm doing.

But it's mostly that you didn't have to be try harding in the last few hours, since no one else is, but you're doing so anyways.

tryharding here especially as him with someone pushing for a counterwagon on him is nai.

btw to ammend my last post I earlier thought nacl was buddying robbnva's reads and now he mysteriously doesn't show up on his read list.

add to that the fact that he just gave emps a strong TR for no reason and is WORKING WITH ME TO FIND A LYNCH yet putting me near the bottom and... this doesn't add up

[eth0s]

I don't know what I'm doing.

But it's mostly that you didn't have to be try harding in the last few hours, since no one else is, but you're doing so anyways.

like I'm tryharding right now too?! why don't I get a free TR for it when you JUST said you were "willing" to vote emps a page ago

[eth0s]

VOTE: NaCl

[NaCl]

@Eth0s
Robbnva hasn't posted in a few days and I don't really even have a clear thought on him anymore. My reads changed a bunch.

Also, my opinion on emps changed once, then changed back after I read QC's game. I'm not scumreading emps now.

[eth0s]

nah you're being scummy

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Ethos, these 11th hour one man wagons aren't helping town.

[eth0s]

but still why does emps largely ignore what I said about him other than his stance on jocus? why does he just now want to start "townleaning" somoene (QC) after I've called him out for shading everyone?

why are you all scum

[eth0s]

Ethos, these 11th hour one man wagons aren't helping town.

idk it's largely my fault for not being more active throughout the day but I see scum behavior and I vote. Jocus doesn't feel right to me.