Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Something_Smart]

It's never worked before?

[Something_Smart]

Swear to god I get the worst pagetops.

[Something_Smart]

Seriously though. I'm not easier to read under pressure.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok, what was your reasoning?

I'd rather not discuss it overtly at the moment, though I think it should be somewhat easily inferred. Happy to discuss a bit further down the road.

Ok, what was your reasoning?

I'd rather not discuss it overtly at the moment, though I think it should be somewhat easily inferred. Happy to discuss a bit further down the road.

Had a minute during my lunch break. God I hate posts like this. I was initially confused by Skitter's post that your RVS was scummy, but the explanation made alot of sense. You then shade Skitt for assuming a scummy motivation rather than asking your reasons. Skitt then asks your reasons and you do this vague appeal to some reasoning that you will provide down the road? What can you possibly gain by holding it back? You're not informed unless you're scum, someone's already talked about the draft numbers. There wasnt a n0 action. Wtf are you talking about here?

VOTE: Suji

Discussing it currently will impact my reasoning in a way that makes it invalid, which I would like to prevent. If you could be a little patient, I will explain (I would like to assume later today or tomorrow at the latest).

Also, I wasn't shading Skitter. My comment on her is completely factual, but I haven't assigned a motivation to it. She still hasn't answered my question about what other interesting topics there were to discuss, however.

I'm generally fine with this sort of thing. I was initially not cool with Suji bc of the immediately asking skitter for info on why his vote was scummy. But in hindsight skitter really is working against 'more info early day 1' which seems a little bit of busywork.

I'm not going to ask for claims however, I have issues with the fact that I got my first choice and was not 1st or 2nd. Going to need some serious reasoning from people on why their choices were town motivated from the two above me.

[Sirfetchd]

I think the governor debate is a little moot. A town players motivations for taking it would be egotistical in that they would have to be certain their reads are going to be great. JOAT seems straight up better but like I can get behind a town governor provided they are an egotistical dick as much as I'd hate it.

[Sirfetchd]

VOTE: Wooper

Scummy rvs vote

If you think its scummy why'd you keep your vote on your random target?

VOTE: Skitter

Solid point actually.

[Sirfetchd]

78 is pretty interesting

Not really, I have cases from similar draft styles and small-town games where scum specifically matched up to go low on list to distance. There's too many Strats to get bogged down in it as far as I can see.

This is a dangerous line day 1 because if we get strung down the wrong assumption it can fuck the entire game. I'd rather we all play normally and draw inferences day 3 or so after some flips.

[TheWizard]

I didnt even realize this wasnt the original x|y until i asked why we had to give in a second number and the mod was like '... because that's what the setup is' with a faint note of exasperation

Do not quote mod messages.

[Sirfetchd]

Late to the party, but this is why I chose a number other than 1. I didn't even know what numbers were considered draft numbers.

Here's a theory:
Do you think that scums were more likely to understand that rule? They had a PT, they probably had a talk before choosing and they probably asked what the numbers meant since it's easier to ask that in a PT, rather than send a message to the mod, correct?

That means that people that make a nonsensical choice in terms of numbers have more chances to be town, while the people that have optimized numbers have more chances to be scum. That is unless scums are one step ahead, but yeah. That seems like a decent theory in my mind.

I honestly think people are lying bc it's the vogue thing to do at this point. No one wants to be seen as the person that knows what was happening bc of posts like this. Which I think is actually harmful bc it assumes town isn't full of liars which it always has and always will be.

Play the game normally, come back to this shit later.

[Sirfetchd]

Scum have intentionally collided in previous PYP games if memory serves me right.

exactly

[Sirfetchd]

Why is Something_Smart obvious scum (The fact that I have to ask that question means it likely isn't obvious, so let's just go with "Why is Something_Smart scum")?

Same. I'm actually liking SS atm.

[Sirfetchd]

Why is Something_Smart obvious scum (The fact that I have to ask that question means it likely isn't obvious, so let's just go with "Why is Something_Smart scum")?

Because S_S doesn't like scum and is honestly not the best at it. Sure, he's decent but he's no god. The thing S_S is gonna do here is instantly go into mech talk because mech talk is the most simple thing you can do to try and appear busy when really you're not. It's not helping and something I can see scum him going for right away. He's made one townread for 'a stupid reason' but that's it and doesn't go into more detail. Really, we should drop this and force people to play. Anyone regardless of your alignment or how bad you are can talk mech. Not everyone can be decent at mafia. Let's force people to play the game

If you want to vote busywork vote skitter.

[Sirfetchd]

Vote: Skitter

Still not happy with the Suji poke.

[TheWizard]

Something_Smart (2):

Xayah, nomnomnom

skitter30 (2):

Billy Pilgrim, Sirfetchd

wooper (1):

Sujimichi

Sirfetchd (1):

wooper

PMysterious (1):

skitter30

AaronFrost (1):

Kerset

nomnomnom (1):

AaronFrost

Not Voting (5):

Something_Smart, Flubbernugget, rb, Luca Blight, PMysterious

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-03 00:30:00)

[Sirfetchd]

Not votings should get on someone. Doesn't help if 40% of the list isn't establishing wagons.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: skitter30

[Kerset]

VOTE: skitter30

Did Sirfetchd convince you or it was coincidence?

[Sujimichi]

The mod convinced me when he posted the votecount.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Nomx3

I don’t like her setup spec at all, and then sheeping the SS vote after the setup spec nonsense got called out doesn’t feel very nice. I also didn’t like her response to Frost’s vote.

[Luca Blight]

Glancing through the thread I don’t feel great about Skitter either. I think frost is Town atm. Flubber seems Town as well. Null on everyone else atm.

[Luca Blight]

Oh yeah, slight scumread on Suj as well.

[Sirfetchd]

VOTE: Nomx3

I don’t like her setup spec at all, and then sheeping the SS vote after the setup spec nonsense got called out doesn’t feel very nice. I also didn’t like her response to Frost’s vote.

Fairly sure nom explicitly stated not really understanding the spec, so this seems hella contrived. :/

[Sirfetchd]

Glancing through the thread I don’t feel great about Skitter either. I think frost is Town atm. Flubber seems Town as well. Null on everyone else atm.

And this is a convenient read for right this moment.

Added to scum list.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Nomx3

I don’t like her setup spec at all, and then sheeping the SS vote after the setup spec nonsense got called out doesn’t feel very nice. I also didn’t like her response to Frost’s vote.

Fairly sure nom explicitly stated not really understanding the spec, so this seems hella contrived. :/

It wasn’t that she didn’t understand it, it’s more the ‘what would Mafia be more likely to do’ type thing that doesn’t sit well with me. This not only shows herself in a better light due to her apparent ignorance of the setup but also is a waste of time.

For what it’s worth I also haven’t really digested the setup yet. I’ve been very busy recently and picked my numbers after a second’s thought.

[Sirfetchd]

The setup spec discussion is flying a bit over my head, I'll be honest

So you think this is a lie, and that they were just waiting for an opportunity to jump in?

Bc everything after this looks like trying to have some sort of voice given that people were refusing to drop setup discussion.