Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[AaronFrost]

you know, i think kerset is pretty likely to be scum here

because it's like a soft accusation that i'm scum, but never actually says it. it's like, "haha oh yeah sure, you "forgot" - the natural follow-up would be to then say why they think i'm lying? or think i'm scum?

also: their only focus on all the content i've provided so far is not any of the opinions i've had about the game, but literally just the post in which i said, "i'm backreading"

this doesn't scan to me as town, whether new player or not.

VOTE: kerset

I think rb and me are very much like-minded in this regard and I think this very precise observation applies to most of Kerset's iso. This post sounds town.

So basically you think rb is town because you have similar opinions on Kerset? That is a dangerous mindset to have.

[nomnomnom]

you know, i think kerset is pretty likely to be scum here

because it's like a soft accusation that i'm scum, but never actually says it. it's like, "haha oh yeah sure, you "forgot" - the natural follow-up would be to then say why they think i'm lying? or think i'm scum?

also: their only focus on all the content i've provided so far is not any of the opinions i've had about the game, but literally just the post in which i said, "i'm backreading"

this doesn't scan to me as town, whether new player or not.

VOTE: kerset

I think rb and me are very much like-minded in this regard and I think this very precise observation applies to most of Kerset's iso. This post sounds town.

So basically you think rb is town because you have similar opinions on Kerset? That is a dangerous mindset to have.

I believe that if someone makes the same observations as me at such a level (as in, not surface level) and that I am town, then we're approaching the game with the same mindset which implies that rb is more town as a result. I'm aware of the danger but I think in this case I prefer to trust the mind melding.

[AaronFrost]

Don't know how I feel about the topic just being behind the Kerset and rb slot. Kerset has really bad arguments but the approach they bring to the game feels towny. I think we should still go for Aaron here. Rb is just gonna be...well rb

Bad post. Trying to distract from the Kerset/rb discussions.

[Something_Smart]

Why's that wrong?

[AaronFrost]

you know, i think kerset is pretty likely to be scum here

because it's like a soft accusation that i'm scum, but never actually says it. it's like, "haha oh yeah sure, you "forgot" - the natural follow-up would be to then say why they think i'm lying? or think i'm scum?

also: their only focus on all the content i've provided so far is not any of the opinions i've had about the game, but literally just the post in which i said, "i'm backreading"

this doesn't scan to me as town, whether new player or not.

VOTE: kerset

I think rb and me are very much like-minded in this regard and I think this very precise observation applies to most of Kerset's iso. This post sounds town.

So basically you think rb is town because you have similar opinions on Kerset? That is a dangerous mindset to have.

I believe that if someone makes the same observations as me at such a level (as in, not surface level) and that I am town, then we're approaching the game with the same mindset which implies that rb is more town as a result. I'm aware of the danger but I think in this case I prefer to trust the mind melding.

I think scum could just as easily fake it by 'agreeing' with a townie who trusts them/is townreading them and using then using that trust to get them to vote whichever wagon they want.

[Luca Blight]

Xayah, regarding your Frost read it feels ‘easy’ because it’s a slot that is generally suspected in this game and can therefore can be sat on while looking meaningful. I don’t feel like you’re seriously pushing the lynch, nor do I feel like you’re continuing to sort Frost. He’s been involved a fair bit recently with the rb/Kerset interaction and is taking hard stances, so you’re original reasons for voting him no longer hold water, so I would have expected an update on why you still think Frost is scum.

[nomnomnom]

I think scum could just as easily fake it by 'agreeing' with a townie who trusts them/is townreading them and using then using that trust to get them to vote whichever wagon they want.

Are you implying I am scum? Is this discussion about Kerset still??

[AaronFrost]

Why's that wrong?

Brushing off rb's actions as 'well that's just how rb behaves so what so let's jump back on this irrelevant wagon instead.' She clearly hasn't taken anything I've said since her initial vote on me and analyzed it.

PEDIT: I'm implying that rb could be scum trying to manipulate me/you/possibly others to voting Kerset.

[Luca Blight]

Frost, are you still sr’ing Skitter?

[AaronFrost]

Frost, are you still sr’ing Skitter?

A bit, but not enough to push at the moment.

[Something_Smart]

Brushing off rb's actions as 'well that's just how rb behaves so what so let's jump back on this irrelevant wagon instead.' She clearly hasn't taken anything I've said since her initial vote on me and analyzed it.

I mean, what if she's right? Wouldn't it then be pointless to dwell on it? Sometimes people take personality traits as alignment indicative, god knows that's happened to me enough.

[Something_Smart]

For Sirfetchd.

VOTE: Billy

[nomnomnom]

Aaron feels SO odd in this discussion right now. It feels like you're arguing for the sake of arguing. There's something that's hard to pinpoint about you talking about rb and Kerset, but like... I'm getting suspicious of you about how you made a 180 on your Kerset read and I have the intuition that you're essentially locking yourself out of your Kerset read, because rb must be scum. That's how it feels like to me.

pedit: Also what the hell are those Billy votes? I am genuinely puzzled.

[Something_Smart]

You townread Billy?

[skitter30]

b) I don't think so. I'm a much more emotional player. I "feel" rather than analyze. These are observations with the games I've went through rather than something I applied over and over, but I do feel it holds water.

this is a fascinating theory but i'm not sure, overall, how much stock i actually put into it in practice

kerset how much mafia experience do u have

[nomnomnom]

You townread Billy?

I have no particular feelings on his slot but he genuinely didn't do anything for me that was worthy of scrutiny so to see people not address current discussions and active slots to jump there? I'd like to get some insight.

[Something_Smart]

My vote was a direct response to current discussions.

[skitter30]

As for your first point it didn't jump to me as much because I don't think of discussion that way.

are you really that confident in a townread on someone based on a sample size of one town game?

moreover, wouldn't you expect that Luca would probably go out of their way to appear reminiscent of their towngame to someone with a limited sample size to go off?

this sequence seems designed to get aaron to question his townread ? i'm not sure how else you can even read this

[skitter30]

Second point is much more indicative of someone that's snarkily inviting people to do things, rather than buddying. That's how I see this interaction in particular.

maybe buddying is the wrong word exactly

but he's like ~trying to get aaron to be comfortable with him and his train of thought and get him to question his own reads and vote with him ~ so idk what to call that

if rb is scum i don't think aaron is ever

[Something_Smart]

this sequence seems designed to get aaron to question his townread ? i'm not sure how else you can even read this

...well, yeah. Is that problematic?

[skitter30]

apparently nom isn't reading it that way

[skitter30]

It’s good to see Nom getting more involved but I’m still not feeling those townie vibes, I can’t quite put my finger on it.

i'm not either

[nomnomnom]

As for your first point it didn't jump to me as much because I don't think of discussion that way.

are you really that confident in a townread on someone based on a sample size of one town game?

moreover, wouldn't you expect that Luca would probably go out of their way to appear reminiscent of their towngame to someone with a limited sample size to go off?

this sequence seems designed to get aaron to question his townread ? i'm not sure how else you can even read this

I sometimes do this to try and understand why someone does something I genuinely don't understand. I see the part where manipulation can be found, but I read it as "let me get on your level" questioning, which I often do.

Again, might be dangerous to do but I feel like I mindmeld with rb a lot here.

[Something_Smart]

apparently nom isn't reading it that way

I think she meant she didn't think it was scummy, and if she did mean that, she'd be correct.

[skitter30]

idk

i don't really and it feels manipulative to me and i don't like it