Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[AaronFrost]

Skitter is Town

, if that still needed pointing out. SS I’m pretty sure is Town as well.

Mind walking me through this read? I'm still unsure about skitter.

[nomnomnom]

I don't want to waste a mislynch on me considering that we profit from revisiting other slots.

You will learn absolutely nothing about the scumteam by lynching me. You'll end up in day 3 scratching your head and stuff. I'm a bad lynch.

I still think Aaron is a good lynch by the by. His last posts feel like preparation to justify a vote on me. Keep this in mind if you actually go through lynching me today.

[AaronFrost]

I don't want to waste a mislynch on me considering that we profit from revisiting other slots.

You will learn absolutely nothing about the scumteam by lynching me. You'll end up in day 3 scratching your head and stuff. I'm a bad lynch.

I still think Aaron is a good lynch by the by. His last posts feel like preparation to justify a vote on me. Keep this in mind if you actually go through lynching me today.

Of course I'm going to go through other slots and see how they acted with Billy/how Billy acted with them but right now you're my main suspect based on your interactions with Billy.

Bolded statements feel like generic filler scum defense.

So what's your opinion on Luca's vote then if you think I'm trying to 'justify' a vote on you?

[nomnomnom]

Luca reads fairly townie through and through and plays exactly like the game I played with him, plus he pushed Billy's wagon fairly well so I have no reason to doubt he's town you know?

You on the other hand...

[nomnomnom]

Besides I'm not really scared, I know I won't be today's lynch. It's just a matter of how much time we're wasting on me today before other townies can vote other scummy slots like yours

[AaronFrost]

Spoiler: Every single mention of nom by Billy Pilgrim (Hint: There's not that many)

Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?

Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?

not really the setup, more like the numbers discussion I'd say.

I don't buy this. Your 99 was more than competent. I dont know that I see a scum motivation for you claiming incompetence when you clearly had it, but if something starts to feel off, I'm going to revisit this.

Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?

not really the setup, more like the numbers discussion I'd say.

I don't buy this. Your 99 was more than competent. I dont know that I see a scum motivation for you claiming incompetence when you clearly had it, but if something starts to feel off, I'm going to revisit this.

my what

Your post 99.

@nom - referring to 406. given that someone (it may have been you) said S_S plays pretty passively as scum wouldnt his lack of scumread also be part of his scum!game?

If I missed something then let me know but as far as I can tell, Billy never gave an actual read on nom and every single interaction with her felt like generic filler questions made to look like they were interacting.

PEDIT: You keep telling yourself that buddy. Meanwhile I'll be focused on actually scumhunting

[AaronFrost]

What's the plan if I flip town nom?

[Kerset]

You will learn absolutely nothing about the scumteam by lynching me. You'll end up in day 3 scratching your head and stuff. I'm a bad lynch.

Who would provide us information about scumteam?

[PMysterious]

I'm gonna ISO Billy. I did feel a little sketched out by him but I don't exactly remember why.

I just read through Billy's ISO. It seems fine to me. Sure, he's not likely a power role, but granted, there doesn't seem to be anything that says he's scum, at least in my point of view.

Pm, are you fully caught up?

I'll be going back and forth with catching up and discussing the current issue at hand. Like I said, I don't see any issue with Billy, but granted, I will need to look at the context of each important post he made.

PM looks sketchy as well.

Alright, I'll bite. Sketchy because I didn't see anything wrong with Billy's ISO? Or sketchy because I didn't know the context? Either way, since Billy was Mafia, I'm willing to admit I was wrong on my deduction. It just means my intuition isn't the best and I'll need to work on it. That's all.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Aaron

[Wooper]

Billy Pilgrim (8):

Xayah, Luca Blight, skitter30, Wooper, Kerset, rb, AaronFrost, Sujimichi

Xayah (2):

Sirfetchd, Billy Pilgrim

Kerset (2):

Flubbernugget, nomnomnom

rb (1):

PMysterious

Not Voting (1):

Something_Smart

Billy Pilgrim is today's putative lynch. If Governor and/or Vengeful exist, they should submit their actions now.

Twilight ends in:

(expired on 2019-11-03 19:38:00)

I didn't fully expect to get a redflip either akshuly but sometimes DESTINY extends its hand and this wagon felt like DESTINY.

[Wooper]

BTW I finally rolled scum in a large game off-site and I got that "urge to kill them all" out of my system and I feel a lot more zen/mellow about mafia afterwards : ]

I'll continue to effort exactly as much as I can. can throw down newest scum meta if ppl are keen too.

[Luca Blight]

Skitter is Town

, if that still needed pointing out. SS I’m pretty sure is Town as well.

Mind walking me through this read? I'm still unsure about skitter.

Skitter’s interactions with Billy make her Town.

[Wooper]

agree fwiw
i've seen skitter bus but
never this well

[Sirfetchd]

Hey all. My house flooded at the end of yesterday. Still sorting stuff out but I'm mostly fine. Expect me to take a backseat for a little though, my game time will be reduced to posting while wagging off work at the moment.

I don't think Xayah is off the hook, a Xayah/Billy scum team still tries to direct off. And it was skitter that swung momentum, not anyone else so it's kind of out of control. Which sucks for me because it means I was off on my skit read.

Can someone talk me though the nom suspicion bc I don't see the Billy wagon presenting much info other than skit town?

[Something_Smart]

Yikes, hope everything's ok.

[Sirfetchd]

that was poorly worded. Xayah is stronger than Billy, so I don't see any reason to give a relational town read.

[Sirfetchd]

Yikes, hope everything's ok.

My courtyard roof door wasn't sealed off and this was the first major rain since I moved in. So it was only my study. But assessing damage to the roof and if any of the stuff in the room needs replacing including my partner's camera gear.

So not like a whole house flood or anything like that, more of an inconvenience. Still, means I am stressed and busy.

[Wooper]

be safe sirf

[Luca Blight]

I'm gonna ISO Billy. I did feel a little sketched out by him but I don't exactly remember why.

I just read through Billy's ISO. It seems fine to me. Sure, he's not likely a power role, but granted, there doesn't seem to be anything that says he's scum, at least in my point of view.

Pm, are you fully caught up?

I'll be going back and forth with catching up and discussing the current issue at hand. Like I said, I don't see any issue with Billy, but granted, I will need to look at the context of each important post he made.

PM looks sketchy as well.

Alright, I'll bite. Sketchy because I didn't see anything wrong with Billy's ISO? Or sketchy because I didn't know the context? Either way, since Billy was Mafia, I'm willing to admit I was wrong on my deduction. It just means my intuition isn't the best and I'll need to work on it. That's all.

It was a soft defence, which looks bad considering you did nothing else all day apart from lurk and sit on a vanity wagon. You also didn’t follow through on your intention of analyzing Billy’s posts.

I’d like to hear your thoughts/reads. I assume you’re full caught-up by now?

[Wooper]

Well

this is the only post in pm's iso which isn't "hey guys! still here but i'll get to this later!" which is like scum coasting 101

can someone check it for billy association tells, he defs comes down on the wrong side of the argument and votes Rb for kinda dubious reasons but idk yet

[skitter30]

looking just at the vote counts i think suji, xayah, and kerset's interactions look the worst

i don't particularly like nom's opposition to the wagon or her repeatedly emphasizing her lack of read on him or how she kept pushing people who were on the wagon

[skitter30]

I don't think I was opposing it, I was just genuinely surprised people wanted to vote there because the slot produced almost close to nothing compared to everything and at the time it looked like potentially a wagon scum wanted to generate. Since Billy flipped scum I was proven wrong so that's good.

I haven't voted yet and I don't want to end today fast, I'm just saying where my lynch preference is right now. I feel like the initial suspicions on Aaron were correct from certain players. Possibly joined the end of wagon for townpoints.

your interactions with the wagon and stances on billy as the wagon was building/falling apart/building read like you opposed it and didn't want it to happen

the day probably isn't ending fast (?)

i kinda dislike suji's vote there more tbh.
i feel like if it's like 5 hours ot deadline or whatever and the game is dead and it's day1 you just vote whoever needs to be voted to make a wagon happen and the fact that he needed to be prodded to vote is ???

[skitter30]

not thinking about being lynched already.

ya i feel like she's acting like it's a much more ~immediate~ threat/eventuality than it actually is at the moment, it feels kinda survivalistic to me

[skitter30]

Back there i still wasn't sure whenever suji was aware that it was a hammer(at the moment of post), so i didn't want to start trivial argues in which he could make various standpoints.

this strikes me as townie

Also let's see what happens if I VOTE: Aaron

what's your read on suji?

PM looks sketchy as well.

he's basically coasting via wolfy pop-ins and refusing to take any sort of stance

I'm willing to give Suji the benefit of the doubt that they knew it was a hammer, but it was still a sketchy hammer imo.

i mean the hammer had to happen, i'm more weirded out that he had to be prodded to hammer