Micro 897 [Game Over]

[AaronFrost]

I think BS or BBmolla are most likely to be jester and should not be lynched.

And you wanted to lynch me!

And I said this where?

[Wooper]

What changed between this read on me and now?

I reevaluated my read - you're a really self aware player and I don't see why you think I should be held to a read I had 150 posts ago.

Why do you think you’re the best person in this list at reading me when afaicr you have ~0% read accuracy on me?

Because I've seen your tricks and I know this setup. Again nice bravado. Prior performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance and "RAWR you've never read me correctly before!!" is pushing an agenda, not trying to earnestly engage with me and correct my read if you're town.

Why would me being the designated mislynch in 5p not be worrisome?

I have no way to answer this it's like asking what the function of going into 5p with any reads at all is. we play this phase and make sure we don't lynch the jester. then we play 5p out straight.

Who is my partner if it’s not ethos?

I haven't partnercleared anyone off you as of yet. I just see a more transparent agenda coming from the way you and eth0s have handled the suggested endgame towncore of {eth0s, wooper} which makes a LOT of sense coming from a bungle/eth0s scumteam.

If you’re worried I’m jester and ethos is my scum buddy but not jester, why aren’t you trying to lynch ethos?

Because if you ARE a jester I think eth0s is really likely town. The agenda he's pushing really only makes a lot of sense if he's scum with exactly you, because of the way he waited it out and then started attacking me d3. Eth0s is basically sortable by whether or not you leave the game today.

[Wooper]

I haven't partnercleared anyone off you as of yet

This is another reason I need to be here in f5.

[Bingle]

and I don't see why you think I should be held to a read I had 150 posts ago.

Why should I?

Further, look at my activities this game. I have been lynching probable jesters, this is true. I’ve also been attempting to lynch people who might be scum over people who probably aren’t. Aorn, my preferred lynch in 5p is probably ruru, followed by you. I don’t trust my ruru read as it could be town lolcatting. I feel that it’s fairly obvious from my attempt to solve between BS/ofhrz and to a lesser extent my push to drew largely because I thought that bb/drew might be a thing and drew was the not jester of the pair. Given that, I think it’s pretty obvious I’m town (or jester stalling the lynch) and not scum. If I were scum, which isn’t a reasonable read by any stretch of my imagination lynching ethos pretty well solves me from your proposed POV, but you’re not trying to do so.

With regards to your read accuracy, you’re setting yourself up as the person who can catch scum me in this list when there’s multiple people who have expressed concerns over my alignment AND you don’t have any particular history of being able to tell that I’m town.

So, again, why do you want to lynch me in your proposed 5p LYLO?

[Wooper]

You refusing to see what I'm doing here makes me so sad.

[Bingle]

You look like you're trying to look like you're trying to avoid getting lynched while simultaneously painting me as scummy for things I haven't actually done and holding your reads close to your chest while there is no nightkill and the jester is revealed at the end of today. I'll repeat my question: Why? What do you hope to gain by acting like this?

If you have to decide the lynch 100% by yourself and you're told the game ends if you don't lynch scum, who do you lynch, right now?

[Bingle]

probable notjesters

[Wooper]

You look like you're trying to look like you're trying to avoid getting lynched while simultaneously painting me as scummy for things I haven't actually done and holding your reads close to your chest while there is no nightkill and the jester is revealed at the end of today. I'll repeat my question: Why? What do you hope to gain by acting like this?

If you have to decide the lynch 100% by yourself and you're told the game ends if you don't lynch scum, who do you lynch, right now?

i'm trying to highlight the slot i see openwolfing, because i'm worried most of this list won't see it. assuming you're not removed from the game i can't come out in 5p like "WOAH BINGLE IS SCUM" - it's vital that i call it when i first see it. call it setting up for a lynch if you like; it's setting up a dialogue so that we can sort you before endgame.

this isn't a realistic scenario btw given the jester being in play but if it WAS i'd lynch you.

[Wooper]

probable notjesters

dw this was clearly a typo

[Bingle]

i'm trying to highlight the slot i see openwolfing, because i'm worried most of this list won't see it. assuming you're not removed from the game i can't come out in 5p like "WOAH BINGLE IS SCUM" - it's vital that i call it when i first see it. call it setting up for a lynch if you like; it's setting up a dialogue so that we can sort you before endgame.

Yeah... Except I am trying to engage on the dialogue.

the way he's going about powerlynching town doesn't feel like town!bungle in this situation; his play around the drew lynch for example

Specifics? Also, why do you think you can read me all of a sudden?

the way he's going about powerlynching town doesn't feel like town!bungle in this situation; his play around the drew lynch for example

Specifics? Also, why do you think you can read me all of a sudden?

I'll case this if I need to but I'd much prefer if someone actually engaged w me on this read so I can develop it without just reading your ISO over and over until I confbias myself.

Solid bravado btw reminiscent of scum!myself

Bingle - is hardcore pushing optimal town strat but in a way that systematically alienates slots and isn't winning him any friends; this is either town, or a v good jester strat. not lynching before jester leaves.

What changed between this read on me and now?

Why do you think you’re the best person in this list at reading me when afaicr you have ~0% read accuracy on me?

Why would me being the designated mislynch in 5p not be worrisome?

Who is my partner if it’s not ethos?

If you’re worried I’m jester and ethos is my scum buddy but not jester, why aren’t you trying to lynch ethos?

Your responses, of course:

I'll case this if I need to but I'd much prefer if someone actually engaged w me on this read so I can develop it without just reading your ISO over and over until I confbias myself.

Solid bravado btw reminiscent of scum!myself

and Sidestepping 398.

What changed your read? Reads change.
Why are you integral to catching scum me here? Because you've seen my tricks. (Also, you're right that this isn't trying to correct your reads, it's trying to read your motivations, which is just as important.)
Why is it scummy to be suspicious of what is clearly a way to make me lose the game, regardless of your intentions? Because you should be allowed to have reads.
Who is my partner if not Ethos? You haven't considered it.
If you think I'm scum with Ethos and Ethos is not jester, why aren't you pushing Ethos? Because if I'm not scum with Ethos, Ethos is town. (Which would be irrelevant, because, you know, lynching town me in 5p still results in a scum win even if you do correctly read Ethos at that point. See: the entire basis of lynching Drew.)

For the record, AaronFrost is probtown. Ethos is probtown. BS is probtown. Rooroo, BB, and Wooper all have significant jester equity, but there's almost guaranteed 2 scum in those three, FMPOV.

[Bingle]

This is another reason I need to be here in f5.

This is the single scummiest possible post in this setup, and I think you know that.

[Wooper]

dude you're not getting a lynch on me. don't try it.

you know why you can twist my words to make me look bad: because i've been here trying to solve the game in realtime. i have read trajectory that you can twist to try and present as inconsistencies. i have stances, but i am not going to evaluate parts of the game which i frankly may not need to bother with, no.

aaron is not "likely town" at all; he hasn't been in a position where he's needed to alignment tell. ruru is more likely town than that slot but not a lot. bb is likely town unless stronger townreads/POE indicates otherwise.

[Bingle]

So you think Aaron is the best lynch for today?

Good to know. I'm glad you answered that when I asked you.

Now, who is likely to be my partner.

[Bingle]

you know why you can twist my words to make me look bad: because i've been here trying to solve the game in realtime. i have read trajectory that you can twist to try and present as inconsistencies. i have stances, but i am not going to evaluate parts of the game which i frankly may not need to bother with, no.

You realize that all of this applies more so to me than to you, right?

[Bingle]

Also:

dude you're not getting a lynch on me. don't try it.

Solid bravado btw reminiscent of scum!myself

[Wooper]

So you think Aaron is the best lynch for today?

Good to know. I'm glad you answered that when I asked you.

Now, who is likely to be my partner.

Where the fuck did you get that from?

And I'm not PoEing a partner for you pre-jester flip it's not a good use of my time.

You realize that all of this applies more so to me than to you, right?

LOL.

Also:

dude you're not getting a lynch on me. don't try it.

Solid bravado btw reminiscent of scum!myself

lemme go find that massive thinking emoji again

[Wooper]

[Wooper]

your read on me keeps changing to what's convenient

you have this bizarrely high standard of me to have a full teamsolve out of 6 slots when there's a jester in play

this 1v1 is so fucking ridiculous i'm still paranoid you want me to lynch you over it

[Bingle]

Here's the situation we find ourselves in.

I refuse to be the game ending mislynch. If it wasn't an empty offer I'd self vote. I'm offering Carte Blanche to associative hunt my partner today on the grounds that if we lynch scum, I no longer give a shit about being lynched because that nets us two additional mislynches. If we lynch town and I'm the designated mislynch tomorrow, there's nothing I can really do to stop it if you're also town. What I can do is make you lynch the person you think is most likely to be scum with me so that I don't get lynched off of associations. I can make you argue why I'm scum (which you have yet to do) in the hopes of derailing this tunnel.

Also, if ruru is town here she's been actively gamethrowing all game, so... Fucks given about that loss? 0.

[Wooper]

This is why
We need to lynch town today
Lose the jester so I can be bothered finding your partner
Then sort this out in f5

[Bingle]

Where the fuck did you get that from?

And I'm not PoEing a partner for you pre-jester flip it's not a good use of my time.

I got that from I have a "Not Jester pool" (Which you've agreed with, afaict) that is three names. And you said one of those is not towny. One of those is S/S only with me, but you don't want to lynch it.

Why isn't PoE-ing a partner for me useful prejester flip? You refuse to lynch me, but are convinced I'm scum. How do you solve my alignment without gambling the game ending lynch on it?

[Bingle]

We need to lynch town today

No. We need to lynch Not Jester today. There is 0 reason not to scumhunt within the pool of NotJester.

[Wooper]

short answer: by butting heads with you in F5

[Wooper]

We need to lynch town today

No. We need to lynch Not Jester today. There is 0 reason not to scumhunt within the pool of NotJester.

this is obviously what i meant

[skitter30]

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