Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[RCEnigma]

You're probably dying either way.

[Almost50]

Mizzy; you will be "mizzed".

@RCE: Well, we seem to be viewing the same scene from different angles. I agree that neither will be confirmed if they are both alive tomorrow. Now let me ask you again: Why would Mafia let them both live (assuming they're both town) and

risk their kill being blocked.

Like, let's say we miss lynch today. Now for it to be LyLo tomorrow the Mafia will have to actually kill someone. Now imagine that the kill was blocked. Not only does it become MyLo, but a potential guilty there and actually going into the following night as 4v1 where bob is effectively a Cop. Even worse, he can't be killed because he is still protected by the supposedly Town BG whom scum had let live to LyLo and consequently to the night following.

Like, I do get your line of thought in theory, but to you -sir- I say: I'd hate to be on your scum team if that's how you play scum.

So, from my PoV the right play was for Mafia to kill the BG last night and then they get bob tonight. For Mafia to miss that

basic

course of action was bad play,

if both Mizzy & bob are indeed town.

[RCEnigma]

Before I respond I need to look up modifiers for normal games.

[RCEnigma]

So I get where you're also coming from but you're assuming a lot of things like: scum don't have ascetic, scum!Mizzy dying seals the game for scum, FL wouldn't have laid a roadmap in the event of his lynch, bob isn't scum.

So, if scum are worried about rb becoming a soft cop he should be dead regardless of mizzy's alignment right? The exception being that Mizzy has strong ties to the last partner. Also, scum can still trade 1 for 1 tonight/tomorrow and kill off Bob if Mizzy is scum, because he for sure won't block the bg claim. I get all that.

I don't know if FL gives the go ahead for scum to claim BG here and stalemate themselves with a town pr like that. I would assume scum claims to be a lot more open and less provable.

Even if Mizzy is fake claiming here it becomes obvious tomorrow. Bob is the one that should be a worry since his claim makes or breaks the game.

[Skellen]

prod dodge.

[Skellen]

Actually I don't really see how it would become obvious if Mizzy is fakeclaiming or not by tomorrow. It might kind of depend on what kind of flip we get today, but either his slot dies next night or not. The latter would only indicate that the likelihood of scum among Mizzy/bob is probably just higher than today (still think it's bob then) or am I missing something?

[bob3141]

luv uou migth as well claim. Were are at l-1 everyone has claimed but you.

You did claim vt but have rowed back from it. So what is your role and why originaly claim vt

[benhalkum]

I’m thinking if I should claim.

Doesn't matter if you do. Your credibility is as shot as Pret's was.

[Plum]

Votecount 4.5

Skellen

- 2 (bob3141, Lil Uzi Vert)

Lil Uzi Vert

- 2 (Skellen, benhalkum)

Not Voting

- 3 (Mizzytastic, Almost50, RCEnigma)

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-16 21:00:00)

Notes

Amrun

replaces

Mizzytastic

. Day 4 deadline has been extended by two days.

[Amrun]

Hi, all. Just a little progress update. I’m on page 16 and baffled why Morality wasn’t lynched sooner!

Give me some time. Since we have lynched scum, I’m trying to draw conclusions on relationships.

So far.... no way is Ben scum with Morality. Fuck no.

VOTE: Almost 50

As of page 16, vex’s slot calls Morality “wifomy” and says he’s “fine lynching him” and yet... doesn’t.

Obviously this is a placeholder as I catch up.

[Amrun]

BEF join me on morality

You ask BEF to join you in voting for mory but i cant see anywhere in your iso were you have commented on morality at all. You ask other to join your vote yet you havent posted any reason why you are voting for him

Looks to me like your scum just sheeping the latest push of other players

VOTE: DrD

Can you explain your progression on this? Like DDL was already doing this recruiting for the Morality wagon thing when you were around and suspecting Morality to be a scum Jailkeeper. Even although I am aware of the out due to site performance issues.

If DDL is a scum sheep what does it mean for your read on Morality? As I said last time you were around you were inclined to think he was scum. What has changed our opinion on him?

My opinion on him realy hasnt changed. And that is infact your role

no wonder my post didnt show up. I finished it off in the wrong reply and pressed sumbit with out checking lol.

My opinion on him realy hasnt changed. I dont beleive his roleclaim.



There are two outcomes on any morality flip. One that he is scum and one that he is town.

For both possible outcomes DrD vote looks rather hollow and sheepy. All depends on if he is scum wanting to get lynch through or scum sheeping his partners wagon.


But for now i dont like lynching roleclaims day one. If he surives to day 2 i cant see morality not beign scum. As i cant see town jailkeeper and town doc both being in this game. 2 protectives for 13 player game. doesnt look likely

Last game i played it was town doc and scum jailkeeper in 12 player game.

I could also see a the “but are you TOWN or SCUM jailkeeper” thing being coached reaction from Morality. He seemed to believe this roleclaim very readily, which I could see being a gambit. Also, I dislike how he is painting DrD as scum REGARDLESS of a Morality flip. He is literally saying DrD (town) is scum whether or not his target (Morality) is town or scum, which doesn’t really make any sense. And he’s also attacking the REASON why DrD is voting Morality (obv a bit of sheeping) as if hoping to derail the wagon without appearing to defend Morality.

VOTE: bob

I’m going to leave it here so I stop doing this.


Sorry if this catchup is annoying. Doing it from my phone so can’t easily edit quotes or save them all together.

[Amrun]

My flip wouldn’t be informative.

If I were scum, you can bet your bottom dollar that whoever my scum partners would be you would not find.

That is my bread and butter on the Morality account.

But i am town, so whatever.

And nobody is scummy necessarily for being on me or off of me, and you can expect both in games when I am scum

He said this after openly defending bob. WIFOM.

[Almost50]

Hello new old player. It's nice to see the older generation resurfacing.

[Amrun]

Can't say I am that satisfied with bef's response, but I think there is no point in pursuing this if I go by his reads, so I will leave it till I know more.

VOTE: Pretentious

While I townread skitter for her interactions with him I can't shake off the suspicion that he is slightly manipulative in that conversation, like his focus in trying to win skitter over who is also the most charismatic person on his wagon (he couldn't probably make RCE move anyway). That and these multiple emphases that he is town, it rubs me the wrong way like he

wants

to establish this mindset casually.

Then again his oberservation on A50 is quite townie imo. Ugh, that guy drives me nuts.

I will also pay attention on tris while rereading today, I think that's someone I could compromise onto. Her voting behaviour comes off as pretty arbitrarily, although it only pinged strongly when she moved on to bef, to bob and then back to A50. That was a weird sequence. However I also thought that her townreads came off rather naturally.

This wagon was dying and he tried to revive it. Townpoints.

At this point, I still like A50/Bob scumteam but I have a long way to go.

My predecessor’s actions baffle me.

[Amrun]

VOTE: PretVOTE:

No way your JK. Well certaily not a town one.

Do you realy think a jailkeeper fits in with tris doc flip.

Dang. Like this post. And it’s another reason why it’s fucking BIZARRE that pretentious was not the day one lynch. Did Tris not see this and be like, “This claim doesn’t make sense with my role?”

[Amrun]

Ben, A50, Skitter team likely.

A quick question. Why was your first response when skitter lolhammered that they were a scum team. Tris hadnt fliped yet nor claimed her role post hammer.


If you believed so weakly that tris was scum that a single vote from another player would result in you removing her from you belive scum team. Its not liek you hadnt been pushign a tris lynch for soem time.

I remember all teh times you were saying that tris was doing her scum game.

Aw shit this is a townpost.

Gotta do this. VOTE: Almost50

[Amrun]

Smelled keeps saying a bunch of stuff I’m thinking. Townpoints.

[Amrun]

Lmao autocorrect. Skellen.

[Amrun]

Skellen, vote RCEnigma with me.

This turn on RCEnigma is very odd. I don’t follow the progression. He protected him the night before only to push an extremely weak case the next day, kinda softly? I’ve been undecided on RCE up this point, but this stinks.

As for DDL I think his case on A50 seems townie, I actually share his observation about A50 to an extent regarding his handling of Pret. I think I lean town on DDl for now, he seemed to me more like scummy town than scum and going by my wagon analysis in case of scum!DDL I have some doubts if he could be a team with Saladman or LUV. Want to reread some stuff just in case though.

I think scum would have been hesitant to townread DDL at this point when Pret was in so much danger.

[Amrun]

The most reasonable explanation for the flash wagon is the hesitancy from slots suspicious of pret to actually Lynch there but there was still threat. DDL couldn't get off the ground but deadline and the probing on Tris caught traction.

I think DDL is town and there is scum in the common votes between DDL and Tris.

This is good analysis that I agree with, but not sure it’s not coming from scum. At this point he’s trying to paint BEF scum upon Pret red flip.

I'm still here DDL.

You wanted something from me?

This is gross. Lazy at best. He responded this 13 minutes later to a prod request. Reading, but keeping his hands clean. Don’t like.

[Amrun]

All these actions cause the drd wagon to collapse. Im feelign the wagon shift was teh fear of pret simply being lynched due to being the compromise wagon. As several of thos pushign drd were prone to pret lynch too.

But before mizzy swaps his vote he finds another wagon he can get skitter to lead. Makign him look liek follow and not teh instigator

Though this mizzy analysis, which I have the benefit of knowing is town obv, is bad because it assumes Pret is scum. So why not kill Pret first to see? Weird.

[Amrun]

Yeah I'm not reconsidering my pret vote today. Something is fishy around pret or ddl not picking up day 1. I also don't believe Pret targets me as JK there if he believes in scum. I was the loudest voice pushing against him even after the JK claim. If I'm scum and fear his claim even a little bit I'm 100% not making the kill and Pret would consider that.

His posting is fine when I'm not pressing but when actual pressure hits I think he's flailing because his charisma isn't pulling him out of this hole. There just aren't enough places to point to.

Aaaand this makes me like RCE more.

[Amrun]

yeah i want everything from you

you said you dont like day 1 and that's fine. but now there's plenty of associatives to go on, so its very concerning to me that you're not doing anything today

I can try to muster up a reads list in a bit but I’m not sure much has changed for me.

We still have the same fear and policy reasons that have been expressed Day 1 for a Pretentious lynch.

We found Skitter dead and people tried to make more out of that than need be. I think revisiting who was attempting to push a narrative with that conversation might find us scum.

Bad. Fear and policy reasons? BAD BAD BAD

[Amrun]

I actually think that’s a townie move by Mizzy. He started it, and unless he’s scum with RCE, it got super sheeped. Scum is on the sheep of tris. BRIGHT EYED FISH.

A50 also sheeped tris, which Pretentious largely ignores. BEF is town so :shrug:. Scumpoints for A50!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m thinking if I should claim.

Doesn't matter if you do. Your credibility is as shot as Pret's was.

luv uou migth as well claim. Were are at l-1 everyone has claimed but you.

You did claim vt but have rowed back from it. So what is your role and why originaly claim vt

I’m a novice vigilante. I shot BEF.