Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Luca Blight]

@Fetchd: Billy was very bussable in hindsight? Well of course anyone who flips scum is going to look more bussable after the event, but at the time I was hard pushing to lynch Billy no-one else wanted it and he had no other votes.

Just skimmed through but Wooper is feeling a lot townier recently. I think the remaining scum is Nom + Fetchd, but Adorable is a bit of an unknown quantity still. Getting townier vibes from Frost recently.

[nomnomnom]

confidence about to get smashed with my flip lol

[Wooper]

1. the worst wooper

2. Sirfetchd

3. Sujimichi

4. skitter30

5. Something_Smart
6. nomnomnom

7. Kerset

8. AaronFrost
9. Flubbernugget

12. Luca Blight

13. Xayah
14. PMysterious Adorable


creature stylin this list is fairly difficult
on the plus side i don't think i'm townreading any scum hooray

[Luca Blight]

It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong about a read so I’m not too worried. You are definitely the best lynch today and I think the game will be solvable regardless of your flip.

[Luca Blight]

I agree with Wooper that Nom seems to be playing the 'non-survavalist' card, but it doesn't read true to me.

[Luca Blight]

She's trying to make us fearful of mislynching her, but her attitude doesn't match the game-state given we lynched scum D1 and can easily afford to call her on this 'non-survivalist' bluff.

[skitter30]

ya nom's tone is just like ... very very very weird and i have a hard time understanding how it comes from town

[Wooper]

you can learn by the way people handle the wagon, for sure
there have been a LOT of reactions to your wagon this phase including a fall from grace from your slot at least one substantial counterwagon

you can't reliably find town via associations with other town
you can't reliably find scum via associations with town but it's a lot easier

given your lynch has been a BIG FACTOR of this phase i think getting the flip so we can look back over how people reacted to it is gr8.

operating on the basis that you're town for sake of winning arguments:
flubs is draft winner and lhf so is objectively a nightmare to cw late in the phase - you also haven't convinced me even slightly on aaron
given you're a vt and semi checked out from this game i'm finding the level of survivalistic flail from your slot a little disconnected as well. you've been heavily pushed and appear to think both scum are on your wagon. given you're not really in the mood for towning it up but believe you're pushing scum do you really not see how your ml helps?

this still applies, like her argument against her lynch is super disingenuous

[Wooper]

can i talk abt something that might be a tiny bit antitown

[skitter30]

I agree. However, I am liking Sirfetchd a little more based on posting this page.

ok why

[skitter30]

can i talk abt something that might be a tiny bit antitown

idk it depends on what it is

[Luca Blight]

Also I get the feeling that Nom has a bit of an ego regarding her scum game, and would rather go out like this and be able to say '

I wasn't really trying

' than to try-hard and still lose. I get the feeling that would hurt her pride a bit.

[Wooper]

power role tinfoil
particularly aaron/noms
this is on the proviso that aaron explicitly ignores everything i say on the subject

[Wooper]

i think noms projects more confidence wrt her towngame but this hasn't been towny confidence either

[skitter30]

3. Sujimichi

also you're townreading them this strongly?

[skitter30]

power role tinfoil
particularly aaron/noms
this is on the proviso that aaron explicitly ignores everything i say on the subject

idk

[Wooper]

alright

tinfoil #1: aaron is crumbing n2 vig
tinfoil #2: noms is crumbing scum venge

my tinfoils are so inconsistent i hate it

[skitter30]

i was literally just thinking that aaron is crumbing n2 vig too

i didn't think that wrt to nom but that actually makes a ton of sense wrt how she's playing rn

[Wooper]

3. Sujimichi

also you're townreading them this strongly?

they're the wildcard of the group
don't feel aligned with noms and i've kinda just generally enjoyed them more as the game's gone on

[skitter30]

i mean if those are both true the way to solve it is to have aaron shoot nom

actually i don't know if vengeful is only for a lynch or else for dying at night

[Luca Blight]

The one thing that's niggling me about nom is that she also picked 4 in the draft.

I'm not saying that being in a double pair with scum is inherently townie, *but* if scum did in fact double up on purpose for the wifom i'd kinda expect scum to be referencing that to try to make themselves townier when in trouble ... that's why they'd have doubled up in the first place

And nom isnt doing that here

But her play this phase has been so awful that i'm not sure that counteracts that

Part of the reason that it's objectively better that we lynch nom today. I'm sorry, but on the 0.0001% chance that nom does flip green, then her play has been far from townie and is not someone I think we should bring to lylo.

The other reason - nom claimed VT. I'm 5th highest on the draft. Who's more likely to be a strong PR?

If people want me to claim then I will, but I'd rather hold off until at least tomorrow.

Although this is bad, considering Frost's argument for

not

lynching Billy D1.

[skitter30]

idk i'm not vibing town!suji that strongly rn

[Wooper]

i normally wouldn't say anything abt aaron but the "let me survive until d3" sentiment made me feel like scum would probably have picked up on it anyway : /

noms' posting is more like, generally-agendaey imo so it's probably best to just remove it from the game and let the cards fall if she is venge

@aaron again don't even acknowledge any of these posts


pedit: venge is only for lynch

[Wooper]

where are you at?

[Luca Blight]

I'm talking about Frost saying 'lynch Nom as she's less likely to be a PR', when on D1 his opinion was 'lynch Xayah over Billy, it doesn't matter who is more likely a PR'.