Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Wooper]

suji do you feel like you're accurately and comfortably sortable via your contributions so far or do you think there's an agenda in postponing the read?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Nom

Now

L-1

again.

[Sujimichi]

suji do you feel like you're accurately and comfortably sortable via your contributions so far or do you think there's an agenda in postponing the read?

I believe that I should be sortable (as town, but that is from my point of view). As I just said, I don't understand the motivation as either alignment to assert not to be able to.

[Luca Blight]

It's also possible it could be Billy/Nom/Xayah actually.

Xayah needs looking at Tomorrow regardless of the flip, she can't coast as much as she has done D2.

[skitter30]

Ok, so you don't feel comfortable placing me as town in your list. You are actively challenging others, however, so I thought there was more concern on your part.

well more like if he was seeing something i wasn't that should be making me townbin since i don't see it rn

Ok. I get the feeling you want to scumread me, and I don't think you can't fault me for thinking otherwise given you attempt to interact with me but when I answer you don't respond in any way and you challenge people when they town read me. That doesn't feel like honestly sorting me.

That is my feeling. I can't attribute a positive alignment rationale to it, so I'm not sure why you want to do that.

ok

i think the problem is that i'm having trouble figuring out ~why~ i don't have warm and fuzzy feelings about just townbinning you, even though i did like a few of your posts in isolation

so like the whole read rn is kinda reducing down to ~gut~ which is, i know, entirely unhelpful but this is how i feel rn

so when i saw that someone else is townreading you i thought i'd ask why because i'm not super solid in this read

and do u think i ~should~ be townreading u rn?

wait pedits

[Wooper]

i'm townreading you aorn, and i think you're one of the harder reads via like general tonality and approach in my townbin, just by instinct. i can see why town would have reservations and focus on getting other slots right

don't think we need to have you at 100% confidence tbh

[Wooper]

so u think they could be svs?

i could maybe kinda see aaron/nom and nom/billy but i'm not sure i see aaron/nom/billy, if that makes sense

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. My 70% confidence is that one of Aaron/nomnomnom is scum. My 30% confidence level is my "tinfoil hat theory" that they both are. As I said, I like to always have a "tinfoil hat theory."

This is based on my current analysis of the game and it could change given more content from more people.

any chance of a tiered readlist suji?

sorry to ask; i'm not really sure i could do one rn

I can commit to this tomorrow. It's too late for me to do so today.

Sorry for the delay, Wooper. This is what I had from my notes as of post 1453.

Reads

Town Read: Luca Blight
Town Lean: skitter30, Something_Smart, Wooper, Xayah
Null-Town:
True Null: PMysterious
Null-Scum: kerset, Flubbernugget
Scum Lean: Sirfetchd
Scum Read: nomnomnom, AaronFrost

Kinda feeling like it's the vogue thing to have me at null scum at the moment.

I'm about to go to bed, but if people want a chat, lets make it happen. Because I have never seen a more unanimous "maybe this guy is scum but none of us are actually feeling it but maybe?" bc that's just mafia y'all.

Also I need to sort everyone too. So hold me to 1 on 1 chats.

I actually have you as a scum lean, not null scum, given your defense and interactions with Billy and his interactions with you. If not for nomnomnom and AaronFrost, I would be voting you.

@skitter i want this alive later; suji iso is rich with associatives and he's actually been pretty holistically considerate but focused reasonably well on slots he's suspected

his posting feels.......considered, rather than reserved. this feels like a weird distinction to make but it's made me not feel the need to isodive him and try to find scum motivation. i think he's just a thinker (see e.g. like davesaz and stuff)

he also doesn't really sound aligned w the other people i have more confident scumreads on :s

[Luca Blight]

What gets me is that as Town, having lynched scum D1, I approach D2 excitedly to piece the rest of the puzzle together.

Nom, Fetchd and Xayah have been the opposite - almost negative in their outlook, which is something I can't relate to. Obviously at least one of them is Town, but there really is an unnatural feel about the three of them in how they've approached this day.

[skitter30]

ok i'll take another look at suji when i get a chance

i agree that xayah needs to be analyzed more tom

[Luca Blight]

If I had to place a bet right now I'd go for Nom/Xayah being the remaining scum.

It makes little sense how Nom suspected Xayah and then suddenly flipped this D1 when the Xayah wagon picked up.

Xayah quietly entered D2 voting the counter wagon, Frost, and saying she doesn't want a Nom lynch for a pretty nonsensical reason (that if Frost flips scum then it clears Nom, but wouldn't the opposite also apply?)

The only thing she has going for her is her Billy vote when the initial Billy wagon took off.

[Wooper]

hmm luca do you play offsite under Luca at all?

[Luca Blight]

I've played a little at MU under the same name, but not a lot.

[Wooper]

fair enough, there's another Luca out there! nice
i like your solve. it makes a lot of sense

[skitter30]

It makes little sense how Nom suspected Xayah and then suddenly flipped this D1 when the Xayah wagon picked up.

huh

billy vote was weird af tho and just felt very ~wrong~, maybe that was distancing?
but then that did revive the billy wagon so that'd have to have been some committed bussing

[nomnomnom]

lol I have to admit it's fun to see people scumread me for a thousand different reasons

if that doesn't ring an alarm bell that scum are pushing the easiest lynch by all means hammer me and feel stupid tomorrow lmao

Also Luca what the fuck is that about me and my ego about my scumgame and stuff? People trying to armchair psychology me or something damn

[nomnomnom]

If I have an ego to defend I just don't lay down and say I wasn't really trying that's like defeatist and loser attitude bro

[Wooper]

lol I have to admit it's fun to see people scumread me for a thousand different reasons

if that doesn't ring an alarm bell that scum are pushing the easiest lynch by all means hammer me and feel stupid tomorrow lmao

Also Luca what the fuck is that about me and my ego about my scumgame and stuff? People trying to armchair psychology me or something damn

noms this is like
the wolfiest self-defence i've seen in months

[Wooper]

can you just like... not? there's an entire game to play with a straight bat here, where are your reads at outside of literally aaron

[skitter30]

lol I have to admit it's fun to see people scumread me for a thousand different reasons

if that doesn't ring an alarm bell that scum are pushing the easiest lynch by all means hammer me and feel stupid tomorrow lmao

Also Luca what the fuck is that about me and my ego about my scumgame and stuff? People trying to armchair psychology me or something damn

...

[Luca Blight]

@Skitter: Nom suspected Xayah D1 but then was suddenly amazed that people were voting Xayah,

@Nom: I've seen a few posts from you saying or implying that your scum game is very good, so it's just a feeling I got.

[nomnomnom]

@Nom: I've seen a few posts from you saying or implying that your scum game is very good, so it's just a feeling I got.

lol so I'll say it again so you remember it:

if you scumread me this early in the game that probably means I'm not scum

[AaronFrost]

lol I have to admit it's fun to see people scumread me for a thousand different reasons

if that doesn't ring an alarm bell that scum are pushing the easiest lynch by all means hammer me and feel stupid tomorrow lmao

Also Luca what the fuck is that about me and my ego about my scumgame and stuff? People trying to armchair psychology me or something damn

Bruh

[Wooper]

Spoiler:

for a split second i misread this as part of the post and thought it was like a "go into lylo against me noms i double dare you"

[Luca Blight]

@Nom: That's fine, your lynch will help solve the game regardless, especially as you're not trying your best to solve it yourself.

[AaronFrost]

I agree we need to look into Xayah tomorrow.