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[profii]

Wimpy has requested replacement

Town rep out

Could you explain why you find his replace-out townie, cur?

If he was scum he'd be doing a good job because he inspired a 7 page festival of nonsense, you are not likely to rep out if you are doing a good job

I ask about Vortuka because this is on my mind a little bit

I’ll just repeat this about Vortuka as it is still quite apt

[alimdia]

actually alimdia what do you think of vorkuta?

my read on them is kinda just stale at this point

initially he has a bunch of fluff posts, gets into a scrap with wimpy, then lurks after Wimpy replaces out.
He asks about main poins on Looker wagon, then doesn't respond.
0 interactions with Looker
0 proper interactions with me other than saying I need to post more and you'll follow up but never doing so.

I don't much much on that slot unfortunately.

[alimdia]

if we force a claim from elements, and we decide it's not scum and switch to looker i consider that better than parking a vote on the looker wagon for 2 days.

i don't consider elements cleared regardless of what looker flips. or do you think scum!Looker = town!Elements?

i think scum looker clears basically you and Wake. that's it.

um
I consider looker stalling till Fri very bad. Thats why I was trying to get someone to threaten hammer

[Saudade]

If wake88 flips scum Looker is scum as well

pls explain btw

Cant you figure it out?

[Saudade]

The person who claimed hes hammering whoever gets to l1 first, then doesnt hammer him.
Its because its his scum buddy

[profii]

profii continues to ping me as scum, for statements like the above

obviously if someone pushes a wagon hard and that wagon turns green, you look at that person? you don't immediately consider they're scum, but you look at that possibility for sure

but he questions why we would do that, saying, "obviously alimdia is just cock sure"

like, what?

and earlier profii even questioned my townread on alimdia. so he doesn't even townread alimdia, but sits there sniping people who are throwing hypothetical suspicion on a hypothetical flip? this has been an angle he takes a lot in this game and it's super fucking weird.

i think the best lynches today are profii, Elements or Looker

Quite happy to go through this with you, at least as much as I can

Not sure which wagon or who you are referring to in the first point but I assume we are talking about almidia pushing so hard on looker - I have LITERALLY said I think alimdia is town because he is pushing a wagon from scratch - I agree that if looker flipped green it doesn’t immediately make almidia scum - I agree we would also have to think about it - at this point (pre flip) do I think I would consider it for a long time? Unlikely based on how today has played out so far

Part of the reason is my cock sure comment and it also relates in a way to my looker read

Consider that I’ve never played with Almidia before but I have immediately seen 2 facts about him upon reading his first post
- a very recent join date
- a sig of “100% town win rate”

The 2nd comes off as a boast but when you look at his history he has 1 complete town game - however couple that with this game where he is pushing his read super hard on day one- to me it’s just cock sure because you can’t really be that certain this early on in a game


But then, make the same assessment of Looker and what do we learn
- a 10 year old join date
- his first post said no one knows me or something like that

Then as the game progresses looker has this unusual observational style of contributing to the game so initially in my mind I gave him the benefit of the doubt as perhaps he just comes from a different era of the site where that’s how those dudes play but as the game carries on and he continues to be “diplomatic” as I called it, I think I should vote him, so I did


Just to reiterate again as it is your last paragraph - I have LITERALLY said I town read almidia right now (449 I think) so you need to read more carefully rather than getting upset (presuming this is because I voted you earlier)

[Saudade]

A lot of you are getting lost in wall of text arguments like this and get lost in word soup and start hitting on each other because you dont relate one to one, well duh you never will

[Saudade]

Get back to lynching wake

[Saudade]

Most of you have expressed decent intent to solve the game this should be easy

[alimdia]

The person who claimed hes hammering whoever gets to l1 first, then doesnt hammer him.
Its because its his scum buddy

bro he was on the wagon he can't hammer

[Looker]

Do you not agree that Salad was being a bit too cautious when announcing intent to put Wake at L-1?

As for Plank, some of his reactions have been pinging me. In particular I did not like his hop on the Looker wagon. 408 is a sketchy post as well and it feels like a jump reaction to someone questioning the Looker wagon. Sort of like a 'why would you not vote for this person?' kind of reaction.

Do you expect me to have full cases on people when we're still early in Day 1 and little has been established? I find it troubling that you are so confident in your reads.

Yes he was a bit too cautious, but that could have been a mariad of reasons - e.g. town afraid of someone quickhammering, or scum trying to not look opportunistic are the top 2 that come to my mind.

I don't need you to have a full case. Just more than what you had for Salad, where you went from "Salad is lynchbait" to "Vote Salad because of L-1 thing"

Regarding your comments about Plank, those comments would have been good ... when you made the accusation of Plank being scummy, instead of only now, you know what I mean?

You don't think there was a reason I withheld my reasons for finding Plank scummy, cur? I wanted to see if Plank would continue his pattern of suspicious behavior and if you lay out the reasons that you find that person suspicious, then they're more likely to intentionally change their behavior which doesn't help me get solid reads.

Does not everyone play this way?

This is bad. I'm assuming you were aware that Elements was on V/LA and given that his V/LA was scheduled to be over long before our deadline is reached, I don't understand why you were so concerned about this.

I don't trust V/LA's - not blindly. It's too easy for someone to post bullshit fluff, go "V/LA", and then lurk while everyone else contributes perspectives to which we can hold them accountable. I just don't think it's a fair style of play.

Looker, despite your uhh standoffish nature I can read between the lines and see where your head is at. That being said I don't agree with sitting on our hands for days at a time while you wait, for the second time this phase, for someone to come back from VLA before you play. California is on fire. Like, all of it. All the time. Saladman isn't coming back any time soon.

Why do you pick Plank over Saladman in this scenario? From where I'm sitting it seems odd that you're so confident in your plank read, and your stated reasoning is that he...sheeps wagons.

• I didn't think I was standoffish. Standoffish would be lurking and going V/LA.
  
• If you don't like absent players, consult the Mod; that's not my fault
  
• Salad's not in California; he's in Australia
  
• As opposed to being confident in alimdia's "Looker doesn't sheep wagons"?

Except your post 334, 393, 403 are not pre-Day 1 anymore. Its after a crapload of stuff has happened

A crapload of stuff that influenced my perspective.

If wake88 flips scum Looker is scum as well

After me who do we go to?

obviously if someone pushes a wagon hard and that wagon turns green, you look at that person? you don't immediately consider they're scum, but you look at that possibility for sure

but he questions why we would do that, saying, "obviously alimdia is just cock sure"

like, what?

You will find that being wrong is not a scumtell.

I don't like that lack of accountability. What's the difference between being "wrong" and intentionally lynching town?

Friday is gonna roll around and Looker is gonna be like 'Yeah I'm not on L-1 I'm not claiming' and then when we get them to L-1 again they're gonna stall more.

I said what I said and I meant it - all players need to play if we're going to play this game. If majority want me to claim, I'll do it; I don't care.

Then as the game progresses looker has this unusual observational style of contributing to the game so initially in my mind I gave him the benefit of the doubt as perhaps he just comes from a different era of the site where that’s how those dudes play but as the game carries on and he continues to be “diplomatic” as I called it, I think I should vote him, so I did

• What's the difference between my "unusual observational style" and others'?
  
• Is "diplomatic" your way of saying insincere? That would be ironic.

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Is the extent of Wake's contribution to D1 going to be hammering?

[Saudade]

The person who claimed hes hammering whoever gets to l1 first, then doesnt hammer him.
Its because its his scum buddy

bro he was on the wagon he can't hammer

Pretty sure he had le hammer at a point

[Saudade]

Anyways wake is scum here regardless of what ya'll be saying
Hes completely out of the game in a typical scum way to be

[Saudade]

Well for a typical weak scum player

[alimdia]

The person who claimed hes hammering whoever gets to l1 first, then doesnt hammer him.
Its because its his scum buddy

bro he was on the wagon he can't hammer

Pretty sure he had le hammer at a point

Actually no I just read through and he joined the wagon relatively early and stayed on, and thus could not hammer.

[alimdia]

At this point you are getting less and less TRed by me

[alimdia]

You're just tunneling on wake at this point

[profii]

The person who claimed hes hammering whoever gets to l1 first, then doesnt hammer him.
Its because its his scum buddy

bro he was on the wagon he can't hammer

Pretty sure he had le hammer at a point

Nope

[profii]

Looker - I mean you seem to avoid direct questions or give elusive answers

[Vorkuta]

initially he has a bunch of fluff posts, gets into a scrap with wimpy, then lurks after Wimpy replaces out.
He asks about main poins on Looker wagon, then doesn't respond.
0 interactions with Looker
0 proper interactions with me other than saying I need to post more and you'll follow up but never doing so.

I don't much much on that slot unfortunately.

Yes- because I've ISO'd you and all that but the case on looker seems iffy and nowhere as decent as the wake case is.
Also he posts sporadic walls so idk what I event want to ask him.

I mean back pre-wimpy replace you didn't have too many posts so *shrugs*

[Saudade]

You're just tunneling on wake at this point

I think hes scum yeah,but i was in favor of pursuing other things and you ended up with looker
Who is a far worse candidate for scum than wake

[Saudade]

Disregard my point if wake is scum so is Looker

[alimdia]

Disregard my point if wake is scum so is Looker

What about other way around?

[alimdia]

initially he has a bunch of fluff posts, gets into a scrap with wimpy, then lurks after Wimpy replaces out.
He asks about main poins on Looker wagon, then doesn't respond.
0 interactions with Looker
0 proper interactions with me other than saying I need to post more and you'll follow up but never doing so.

I don't much much on that slot unfortunately.

Yes- because I've ISO'd you and all that but the case on looker seems iffy and nowhere as decent as the wake case is.
Also he posts sporadic walls so idk what I event want to ask him.

I mean back pre-wimpy replace you didn't have too many posts so *shrugs*

Whats the wake case other than speed hammer day 1?

[alimdia]

Disregard my point if wake is scum so is Looker

What about other way around?

Hang on 1 second
You think wake is scum like 90% right?
So that means looker is also 90% scum? (90%*100%)
By your logic voting out looker is the same as wake for you