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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:48 am

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In post 718, Psyche wrote:
In post 714, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
In post 705, Psyche wrote:
In post 686, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:Calling it rn:
Banaki/Psyche is the scumteam
.
ur wrong and a bit overconfident
In post 706, Psyche wrote:rather interesting that you didnt really update your priors much after the eth0s lynch
how does one lead a mislynch and then the next day feel sure enough of themselves to call the scumteam?
I hardtown read everyone in my townblock and I think BS is more likely to be a mislynch than scum.

I have always thought that scum was in Pine/Banaki/Ethos, so why would my being wrong on him, change that?
i think that this is revisionist and that you're understating the extent you pushed eth0s
more broadly, it's just that if i were in your shoes (and to an extent i am) and had your D1 iso i would really be rethinking the way i approach the game and the confidence i ascribe my reads
maybe i'd stick with the same strategy but i certainly wouldn't go around confidently calling the scumteam with it
it's just weird not to see you appreciating your fallibility in any substantive way — instead you're just doubling down
it's either a character flaw or a gap in your scumplay
will find out which at some point or another
:lol:


Yeah, please give me lessons in better scumplay. Thanks.


I hard townread everyone in my townblock and I think BS is a likely mislynch. What exactly are you finding difficult about this?
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:50 am

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In post 719, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 702, Dannflor wrote:Gamma Emerald, who would you like to lynch today?
Thinking about it rn I individually think Psyche and Banakai are both the most suspect. Psyche’s reads just seem questionable based on the fact he has a take on me that has no basis in fact but is a real common take on me in other games. And Banakai has kinda been spouting nonsense imo.
VOTE: Psyche
I actually feel like this could be scum more rn
I’m fine with either dying. I also think Psyche scumflip, likely clears BS more than Banaki would, due to Pine anti-bussing thing but I’ll happily join either wagon.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:02 am

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In post 471, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
In post 465, eth0s wrote:yeeeeeeeeeeet
No one is tr your enthusiasm for your blatant attempt at trying to mislynching me. If I wasn’t already sl you, I’d be convinced you had no clue how to scumhunt but then I wouldn’t want to get into trouble for insulting your
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ability to play mafia properly. :]
In post 476, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos, what exactly do you find scummy about my play and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.
In post 478, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
In post 463, eth0s wrote:
In post 433, PenguinPower wrote:Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...
(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available
,
(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it ()
,
(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all
, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.
(4) What are they by the way?
You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.
1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh
I still think you’re scum here fr but I really want to see if any towngames actually exist where you are seriously this bad at mafia. Probably more scum flailing than dumb town but eh?
In post 479, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80259&start=100

Oh Lol, this explains so much. I think I’m townlocking Penguin and never unvoting Ethos until he’s flipped.
In post 485, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:Lmao @ Penguin. Okay Banaki, I’ll let it go. It’s just that I find meta really helpful when I haven’t played with someone before.

If Ethos flips town here, I will be legit shocked. Penguin nailed it, he isn’t doing any actual sorting. He acts like he’s invested but his reads are basically empty with very little logical reasoning for pretty much anything.

@Banaki, sure it’s “dumb” and I’m sure he is well aware of it. He is making this out of left field nonsense push on me out of basic desperation to get tr for hard pushing anyone, whether he has any actual reason to do it is apparently besides the point. He’s counting on someone tr him for this, based on just that: it being so unbelievably dumb.
In post 486, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
In post 463, eth0s wrote:
In post 433, PenguinPower wrote:Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...
(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available
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(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it ()
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(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all
, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.
(4) What are they by the way?
You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.
1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh
This 100% reads like a scum post. Town rarely reacts this way. Town asks why do you think this? Here is why I did ___. Scum otoh hands just deflects and turns it on the accuser. How dare you express even the mildest suspicion me for my uberscummy play? You obviously have to be scum. If I AtE loud and long enough, maybe you actually might be fooled into actually believe I mean anything that I’m saying.
In post 497, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
In post 487, Dannflor wrote:eth0s, can you expand on why you think Pyrrha is scum?

I’m not really seeing it off that one post you quoted
I would really love to know that too. What is abundantly clear to me is that he views me as both a threat to him and he’s trying to push my mislynch to save himself.

His push on me is 100% a scum push. Not even a single iota of any attempt to correctly sort me or re-evaluate anything. I could post my role pm and he would still find a way to try to convince all of you that you’re colourblind.
A couple things really obvious from these posts:
- Pyrra suggests in 714 that her push of the eth0s lynch was primarily a matter of poe. This is clearly false.
No one
D1 was more confident that eth0s was scum than pyrra. Absolutely no one.

- Pyrra says that she'd be absolutely
shocked
if eth0s ends up flipping town. Does Pyrra's D2 posts provide any evidence of
shock
?? Like, the actual emotion? There's no clue of it at all. Instead, we see the evidence of the exact opposite: a muted reaction in the short term, and increased self-assurance, increased confidence in her grasp of the current gamestate in the long term.

I'm not saying that there should have been some big mea culpa; I can appreciate that my own has seemed awkward and overwrought. What I am saying is that there's no evidence even
implicitly
of the sort of emotional impact you'd expect from the eth0s mislynch given pyrra's D1 iso. This is
in addition to
her clear misrepresentation today of her mindset surrounding eth0s yesterday.

We're left with two possibilities. The first is that Pyrra, along with having a
far
more tenuous grasp of the gamestate than she thinks she has, has a very powerful self-serving bias that leaves her not just to interpret but to
remember
the past in the way that flatters her most. The other is that she's playing a muscular scumgame ITT, performing towniness with all these posts seeming to sort and lynch scum while actually trying to orchestrate mislynches.

In either situation, ego plays a big part in explaining why Pyrra's playing the way she's chosen to - whether she's just that confident in her townplay that she shrugs off any mistakes, or sure enough of herself that she's deigned to play for the center of attention as scum. The personality read is easy. I still don't know a reliable way to convert that into an alliance sort.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:03 am

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In post 724, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
In post 716, Psyche wrote:im gonna make fun of you for these posts later
Those posts sound really weird if you’re town. It’s like you’re almost agreeing with me.
if you're town i recommend a reading course after all this is over
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:10 am

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pyrra, what ran through your head when you saw eth0s flip town? what will run through your head supposing i do? still gonna stick with the "hard townreads"?
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:18 am

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yesterday eth0s calling pyrra scum was "100% a scumpush"
yesterday if eth0s flipped town, pyrra was going to be "shocked"
today pyrra's D1 scumpool was eth0s/pine/banakai so eth0s flipping town was nbd when it comes to her overall sense of the gamestate
okay
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:19 am

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also im scum because i typed "bit" lol
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:59 am

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In post 731, Psyche wrote:also im scum because i typed "bit" lol
Yes.
The technique allowing these associations is called "tunelling".
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:02 am

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Now seriously.
You have responded on post "Psyche/ Banaki are scumteam".
That adds lots of scum points to your pair, so lynching at least one of you is a good move.
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He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:07 am

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i can't make sense of the logic of that idea at all
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:31 am

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Lynch pyrrha and if it flips town lynch psyche, one of them is scum.
it's a zero in my name (for PM purposes etc)
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:32 am

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psyche should be given the leniency today
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:32 am

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dannflor and sheep have been pretty quiet
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 737, eth0s wrote:dannflor and sheep have been pretty quiet
i agree
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:00 am

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the fact that he feels as quiet as me makes me like him more if it even matters at all
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:22 am

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Official Vote Count 2.05
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LynchingWith 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Banakai
(3): sheepsaysmeep, Pyrrha Nikos, Blatant Scum
Psyche
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:16 am

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i actually agree with what psyche is saying

i still think hes scum though
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:17 am

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id prefer pyrrha vote but it feels were not gonna get that until she leads 2 mislynches on the town
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:25 am

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Don’t lynch anyone PLEASE

I’m posting later today
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:46 am

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In post 723, Blatant Scum wrote:
In post 717, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 595, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 543, Blatant Scum wrote:It was a serious intention. When it started to be discussed a lot, I figured up, that the first person who would stop talking about it and would actually try to scum hunt would be likely town.
The problem is that town went from talking about mechanics to talking about me!scum.
Ok who is town by this
@BS
Push mechanics->scumhunting is towny
but push mechanics->mislynching me is NAI

So noone.
Can’t accept this answer. Even if you were the push there was scumhunting going on.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:49 am

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In post 735, eth0s wrote:Lynch pyrrha and if it flips town lynch psyche, one of them is scum.
Why
In post 736, eth0s wrote:psyche should be given the leniency today
Why
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:49 am

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Trying to lynch me because of no good reason is scumhunting?
Interesting. Tell me more about the secrets scumhunting.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:52 am

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I wouldn’t say that pushing someone for suggesting PLs on town is “no reason”
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:55 am

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But PL on town!RC would help the town!
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:02 pm

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Except that probably makes the game toxic. So no. And that doesn’t really address what I am talking about.
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