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[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.10

Tea

(4): Reundo, Saladman27, Flavor Leaf, Vorkuta

NorwegianboyEE

(3): splitfarvle, Dunnstral, davesaz, Billy Pilgrim

Vorkuta

(2): Layla, Wake88

Flavor Leaf

(2): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald

Luca Blight

(1): Chemist1422

Layla

(1): Luca Blight

Gamma Emerald

(1): Fish Monger

Not Voting

(3): Tea, Zote the Mighty, PMysterious

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-11-22 10:45:00)

[Chemist1422]

I’ve played 2 games with Chemist and he was scum in both of them. All he did was lurk. I don’t see anything town indicative from him. Why are you townreading him Tea?

In my defense the lurk was tactical the second game

[Fish Monger]

Chemist used to lurk no matter what alignment he was.

Its not sufficient by itself, but I agree it is a good sign.

[Zote the Mighty]

UNVOTE:

The speed at which the Tea wagon built up and the little resistance it had is definitely something worth noting. It makes me think that scum either found an opportunity to hop on an early wagon, or found an early opportunity to distance from their partner. I'm gonna take a look at all the people who voted for Tea.

Can you explain this for me please? It seems like the quickest wagon growth was 100 to 125. That's when he went from 3 votes to 6 votes. I voted him as part of my catchup. Then you voted him using reasoning that had already been articulated by others, then Norskie voted shortly after you citing what he perceived as the quick trajectory in the read. So if you're calling out the speed, you contributed to it.

So I'd like to know what you're getting at specifically with commenting on the speed of the wagon. Because right now, it feels like you're just shading the entire wagon.

Fool! If I was shading the wagon, then why would I bring up a scenario where Tea is still scum? I am aware that I contributed to that wagon speed.

Did Norskie also not use recycled logic in his vote? It gave me pings of OMGUS. 77 especially.

[Tea]

Sigh

I have literally misread Chemist once and thats if you generously count "I compromise lynched him because deadline/people didnt care/i could expose my actual scumread tomorrow anyway" as misreading.

Yes there's not much about Chemist but gut feels, man, gut feel.

[Tea]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

All of your TRs are players who've either defended you or aren't critical of you (except for maybe Billy for a bit), and all your SRs are players who were/are voting you or were critical of you, which reads pretty safe / risk-averse to me. Luca especially is a bit jarring, because while I don't have a strong TR on him I don't see anything of his that's especially scummy either. Similarly, I haven't seen anything especially towny from Chemist either, so some elaboration on those reads would be nice because I can't really see where you're coming from rn.

Also, why are you still not voting anyone?

I also wonder why I'm scumreading people with bad progressions on me... maybe its because they have bad progressions on me.

[Tea]

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

So first you called the votes on Norwegian bad, and now you’re calling the ones on Layla bad because they should be on NorwegianboyEE instead?

Explain, please.

And why are

you

not voting NorwegianboyEE for that matter, Tea?

What have I done that’s the same as NorwegianboyEE?

Not sure I follow you.

Also, do you dislike/disagree with the vote itself, or is it purely the fact I haven’t received as much heat as NorwegianboyEE that pings you?

What about the NorwegianboyEE and Tea wagons, Chemist. Anything ping you there?

Dude... his entire ISO is empty or easy questions.

[Tea]

This isnt cherrkypicking this is pretty much his ISO.

[Reundo]

I don't see how him asking questions about your posts == a bad progression? Luca's ISO is a bit worse than I remembered but it's fairly ordinary in this game at least. "Empty or easy" questions describes a lot of ISOs here, and throwing him in your scum reads but not say splitfarvle/davesaz/dunn seems a bit random.

Also, I hope you ignoring like half the posts directed at you doesn't become a habit because it's starting to get annoying. What is your aversion towards voting people, exactly? I don't see a good reason to keep it holstered at this stage, or how it'll affect your "interactions with your scumreads" or whatever.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sigh

I have literally misread Chemist once and thats if you generously count "I compromise lynched him because deadline/people didnt care/i could expose my actual scumread tomorrow anyway" as misreading.

Yes there's not much about Chemist but gut feels, man, gut feel.

Off of I believe 1 post
What???

[NorwegianboyEE]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

You claim there’s a pretty big difference between the tiers, but your top TR is just a "gut read" on someone that’s posted like 2-3 posts by the time you made this...

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Tea
I think I’m alright voting this rn
Tbh this game feels like it’s going faster somehow

[NorwegianboyEE]

The question now is whether Tea is just bad or if he is scum-bad.
Btw @Penguin: It should be 4 votes on me, not 3.

[Luca Blight]

Had a very busy weekend, will catch up in a few hours.

[Billy Pilgrim]

That's very surface level.

Man, I dont know if this is a playstyle thing with you or what, but it's annoying. He provided a possible explanation of your reads, which wasnt completely unfair given that you haven't provided much thought on it in the thread. You respond by saying that it was surface level. It's on you to explain your actions. Reundo is giving you an opportunity and you respond by calling his interpretation of your reads list surface level. It's not on us to be able to explain your reads. So why dont you explain why its not simply what Reundo accused you of?

[Wake1]

Lack of resistance on Tea wagon has me slightly worried.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tea has been playing kinda badly imo. But the speed at which he gained votes + how nobody really defends him much makes me also lean slightly town on him for now.
In which case both the top wagons right now are on town. Better find an alternative, which i've already done. Flavour Leaf is looking kinda scummy for reasons i already mentioned.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Interesting, now that the tea wagon started to deflate, but then picked some steam back up three people express concern over the speed of the wagon and lack of resistance to it.

What type of resistance would you be looking for? There is a counter wagon at the moment. So are you just saying that you'd expect suki to hard defend their partner here, and because that's not here it cant be him?

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

The speed at which the Tea wagon built up and the little resistance it had is definitely something worth noting. It makes me think that scum either found an opportunity to hop on an early wagon, or found an early opportunity to distance from their partner. I'm gonna take a look at all the people who voted for Tea.

I don’t like this; it feels very showy.

[Luca Blight]

So far I’m townreading NorwegianboyEE, and have slight scum leans on Zote, Chemist and Wake88.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wake88

Will go into more details once I’ve had some sleep.

[PenguinPower]

Almost50 replaces Saladman27

[Tea]

VOTE: reundo

[Tea]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

You claim there’s a pretty big difference between the tiers, but your top TR is just a "gut read" on someone that’s posted like 2-3 posts by the time you made this...

...separated by the line...
ok

[Tea]

UNVOTE:

The speed at which the Tea wagon built up and the little resistance it had is definitely something worth noting. It makes me think that scum either found an opportunity to hop on an early wagon, or found an early opportunity to distance from their partner. I'm gonna take a look at all the people who voted for Tea.

I agree with this but knowing Aaron it kind of is not as abnormal
I don’t like this; it feels very showy.

[Tea]

That's very surface level.

Man, I dont know if this is a playstyle thing with you or what, but it's annoying. He provided a possible explanation of your reads, which wasnt completely unfair given that you haven't provided much thought on it in the thread. You respond by saying that it was surface level. It's on you to explain your actions. Reundo is giving you an opportunity and you respond by calling his interpretation of your reads list surface level. It's not on us to be able to explain your reads. So why dont you explain why its not simply what Reundo accused you of?

Very ironic... considering I did