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[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.11

Tea

(4): Reundo, Vorkuta, Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE

NorwegianboyEE

(3): splitfarvle, davesaz, Billy Pilgrim

Vorkuta

(3): Layla, Wake88, Tea

Wake88

(2): Luca Blight, Dunnstral

Luca Blight

(1): Chemist1422

Gamma Emerald

(1): Fish Monger

Not Voting

(4): Zote the Mighty, Flavor Leaf, Almost50, PMysterious

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-11-22 10:45:00)

[davesaz]

I’m townreading Dunnstral for no reason and I probably shouldn’t be

gl

I have a warm spot when I think about Dunn too, but its because he voted wake.

Seems like that bar is a little low.
A poke at a lurker is protown but not necessarily townie.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who wants to play

[Flavor Leaf]

Trying to find out if there’s actually any reason that Tea, Norwegian, or Vorkie are scum or if they’re just the flavor of the day.

I’m not entirely sure on reasons.

If Tea is scum, they definitely haven’t done anything wrong, but I do generally understand why people are staying there and considering it viable. That’s entirely a game state read. The game state could make sense and be explained with scum have a wagon on them for no reason, so just gonna stall it out.

That would make Norwegian or Vorkuta one of the counter wagons. However, if Tea is town, whichever of Vorkie/Norwegian gets broken down have a good chance at being scum. Scum are likely on one of those two wagons regardless.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma’s play’s poppin out at me too. He was voting me, forgot who he was voting and reassured his tea vote, who I was on.

Early game jitters and lack of investment so you forget? Possibly. Might be town points.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m townreading Dunnstral for no reason and I probably shouldn’t be

gl

I have a warm spot when I think about Dunn too, but its because he voted wake.

Seems like that bar is a little low.
A poke at a lurker is protown but not necessarily townie.

Yeah, scum do townie things more than townies.

[Gamma Emerald]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

You claim there’s a pretty big difference between the tiers, but your top TR is just a "gut read" on someone that’s posted like 2-3 posts by the time you made this...

...separated by the line...
ok

What is the point of this

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma’s play’s poppin out at me too. He was voting me, forgot who he was voting and reassured his tea vote, who I was on.

Early game jitters and lack of investment so you forget? Possibly. Might be town points.

Nope I changed my mind about things when Tea just stopped making sense but I think you thinking this way is kinda towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw pls find somewhere to vote if you aren’t yet, I spoke out against the Tea wagon earlier but we are creeping towards deadline so more votes are good

[Luca Blight]

So taking a cursory glance at the game, I have a few developing reads, but not much yet. In general I really hate Day 1 and do much better on Day 2 and onward, because I have solid information to work with.

Before I post my reads I have a question because it's not clear: are we dealing with more than one Scum faction? Because the way I read it in the OP it feels like there being two Scum factions is definitely possible.

This feels like playing innocent about the setup. The OP is pretty clear in what it says - why is he expecting anyone to answer this question?

As for

Vorkuta

, I don't really like how he jumped on Flavor's wagon in #18. Then in #55 he voted Layla and said her vote seemed opportunistic, yet his vote itself (to me) felt opportunistic. Lastly in #131 he wants votes on Flavor Leaf (Papa Leaf?) but he doesn't vote FL but Tea instead. These 3 events make me slightly Scumread him currently.

VOTE: Vorkuta

This seems like he's just giving commentary on Vork's actions rather than trying to work out the meaning behind it. It's a very easy thing to jump on.

I noticed that Reund doesn't support Layla's wagon in #103, so if Vork flips Scum and Layla flips Town I'll revisit this later.

Likewise, Fish Townreads Vorkuta in #205. If Vork flips Scum I will be taking a closer look at Fish.

This is surface-level beyond belief.

Currently I don't understand the wagon on Tea.

Could it be boiled down for me please?

Lack of resistance on Tea wagon has me slightly worried.

I really don't get the 'worried by lack of resistance' feeling, considering at the time of writing Tea only had 4 votes to NorwegianBoyEE's 3, and I've seen at least a couple of people defending Tea. This feels like he's actively trying to look not opportunistic.

I don't really like the Vorkuta wagon at all - it seems a really easy resting place for scum on D1.

[Luca Blight]

There's a fair few players being useless so far, but Wake88 is being useless while trying to look like he's not being useless, which makes this a decent D1 lynch imo.

[Luca Blight]

I'm actually getting a slight town ping from Tea's suspicion of me: given I hadn't made my position on him clear at that point, I feel as scum he wouldn't want to provoke me needlessly.

[davesaz]

I shouldn't rely on memory so much.
I hadn't remembered Wake posting that many times. Though that's a different kind of indicator...
Luca looks good for bringing it up.

[Luca Blight]

Davesaz could be scum as well - he's a little too comfy on that NorwegianBoyEE wagon and isn't doing a lot of sorting from what I can discern.

p;edit, oops, speak of the devil...

[Luca Blight]

NorwegianBoyEE, Fish Monger and Reundo are giving me town feels so far.

[Luca Blight]

PM as well, actually,

[Flavor Leaf]

I shouldn't rely on memory so much.
I hadn't remembered Wake posting that many times. Though that's a different kind of indicator...
Luca looks good for bringing it up.

Davesaz could be scum as well - he's a little too comfy on that NorwegianBoyEE wagon and isn't doing a lot of sorting from what I can discern.

p;edit, oops, speak of the devil...

Luca: continues to case someone else.
Dave: that’s a good point ya know
Luca: Dave’s scum too

Hilarious. Do more, you too. These are the interactions I get high off of

[Flavor Leaf]

You two* iPad auto correct some weird things

[Luca Blight]

I'm also leaning town on Billy Pilgrim so far.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now you’re just doing the most

[davesaz]

Good news: not drowning in stuff.
Bad news: not much spicy to guess at motivations from.

In case you missed it. A "large" game with post numbers still in the 300's and a week-ish(??) in? Inconceivable!

[Luca Blight]

Hop on the Wake88 wagon with me then, Davesaz.

Let's get the ball rolling.

[davesaz]

I’m townreading Dunnstral for no reason and I probably shouldn’t be

gl

I have a warm spot when I think about Dunn too, but its because he voted wake.

Seems like that bar is a little low.
A poke at a lurker is protown but not necessarily townie.

I'm gonna double down on this.
My initial comment about Wake being a lurker was outright wrong, as I already pointed out.
Wake's posting looks pretty odd, as rightly pointed out by Luca.
Dunnstral voted Wake, said the ISO was bad, but said

nothing

about why it was bad.
That's actually not too out of character for Dunn, I rarely see any substantial explanations from him. The point here is that it's NAI.
Fish Monger and Chemist liked Dunn but didn't explain anything more than the vote on Wake as a reason, when Dunn's ISO is devoid of anything but votes with no explanations.

Between Wake, Dunn, Fish Monger and Chemist at least one is probably scum and possibly two. I loathe association hunting before a flip so I have no interest in which combination. I'd settle for finding some reads at this point, and that's going to be hard without some material.

It's too late at night to dig into all of this, in particular where any of these are on the larger wagons. So this post serves as a reminder to self of where to look.

Pedit: Sure, why not. I still think Norwegian could be scum, but wagons are what we need and which scum matters little.
VOTE: Wake

[Luca Blight]

@Mod:

is there any chance of a deadline extension? Every other large normal I’ve looked at has had a two week deadline for D1.

[Gamma Emerald]

Good news: not drowning in stuff.
Bad news: not much spicy to guess at motivations from.

In case you missed it. A "large" game with post numbers still in the 300's and a week-ish(??) in? Inconceivable!

Just wait until a replacement blows the place up

You know it’s gonna happen